This Trump New Years Meltdown Is The Worst Thing I’ve Ever Seen” | Barack Obama

Wouldn't it be great if everyone applied the same sort of critical thinking to other so called sources of information.

petra

Allira

David49

petra

David49

On Facebook there is a video of a barge being lifted out the collapsed canal in UK by a Chinook helicopter.

A Chinook can lift 12 tons, a large barge weighs 50 tons, yet there are many arguing that it is a genuine video, it’s a very convincing video but it is AI.

It’s not convincing. Why was the canal boat being lifted out of the water.
Why would you use a piece of equipment that costs upwards of $38. To do the job.
Look at the outine of the barge: it’s sharp. Always a good clue.
And the clincher, have you felt the downdraft from a helicopter, I have, it was an air sea rescue helicopter.
All those people on the tow path arnt batting an eyelid.

Your comments are much more perceptive than many others

Your comments are much more perceptive than many others

No, it didn't happen that a Chinook lifted a barge from the sunken canal but, theoretically, a Chinook could lift something the weight of a small narrow boat ie 10-12 tons.

I’ve just thought of another mistake ( not that it matters) 😂 The barge would have been lifted with straps, not just rope.

The facebook group that showed the Chinook is well known as a site that issues parody AI generated videos of anything canal based.

Our own boat (58 foot) weighs around 23 tons but weights are variable at any time dependant on the amount of liquid in fresh water, fuel and black water tanks.

Allira

David49

petra

David49

On Facebook there is a video of a barge being lifted out the collapsed canal in UK by a Chinook helicopter.

A Chinook can lift 12 tons, a large barge weighs 50 tons, yet there are many arguing that it is a genuine video, it’s a very convincing video but it is AI.

It’s not convincing. Why was the canal boat being lifted out of the water.
Why would you use a piece of equipment that costs upwards of $38. To do the job.
Look at the outine of the barge: it’s sharp. Always a good clue.
And the clincher, have you felt the downdraft from a helicopter, I have, it was an air sea rescue helicopter.
All those people on the tow path arnt batting an eyelid.

Your comments are much more perceptive than many others

Your comments are much more perceptive than many others

No, it didn't happen that a Chinook lifted a barge from the sunken canal but, theoretically, a Chinook could lift something the weight of a small narrow boat ie 10-12 tons.

I’ve just thought of another mistake ( not that it matters) 😂 The barge would have been lifted with straps, not just rope.

David49

petra

David49

On Facebook there is a video of a barge being lifted out the collapsed canal in UK by a Chinook helicopter.

A Chinook can lift 12 tons, a large barge weighs 50 tons, yet there are many arguing that it is a genuine video, it’s a very convincing video but it is AI.

It’s not convincing. Why was the canal boat being lifted out of the water.
Why would you use a piece of equipment that costs upwards of $38. To do the job.
Look at the outine of the barge: it’s sharp. Always a good clue.
And the clincher, have you felt the downdraft from a helicopter, I have, it was an air sea rescue helicopter.
All those people on the tow path arnt batting an eyelid.

Your comments are much more perceptive than many others

Your comments are much more perceptive than many others

No, it didn't happen that a Chinook lifted a barge from the sunken canal but, theoretically, a Chinook could lift something the weight of a small narrow boat ie 10-12 tons.

Apparently, they used an image of the Princess of Wales, and an official complaint has been submitted.
Hope he gets his comeuppance.

David49

This is the problem we can’t rely on any AI system to be impartial, Certainly a Chinese AI model will be very different to US or UK model.

Quite right. Look at Musk's Grok, which is happily turning photos of young girls and women into semi porn at the request of X users...

This is the problem we can’t rely on any AI system to be impartial, Certainly a Chinese AI model will be very different to US or UK model.

There is quite a simple answer to removing the AI video link, that is, for the person who has posted it to ask to have their post deleted.
I won't in this case, since it has led to a long discussion and the thread wont make any sense if its deleted, and it can serve as a warning to check as far as is reasonable possible

So of course we cannot control the genie, ^but we can limit its effect by taking good care what we post^: and of course rely on each other when necessary to point something out.

And not to be afraid of the genie, to assume its going to take over the world, thats just fear mongering and carries the risk of people saying "its AI" to discredit a post.

But to use it when it's of real help. If we use the AI summary, simply give the link to it, so we can judge for ourselves, since AI summaries give back up material to the right of the summary.

petra

David49

On Facebook there is a video of a barge being lifted out the collapsed canal in UK by a Chinook helicopter.

A Chinook can lift 12 tons, a large barge weighs 50 tons, yet there are many arguing that it is a genuine video, it’s a very convincing video but it is AI.

It’s not convincing. Why was the canal boat being lifted out of the water.
Why would you use a piece of equipment that costs upwards of $38. To do the job.
Look at the outine of the barge: it’s sharp. Always a good clue.
And the clincher, have you felt the downdraft from a helicopter, I have, it was an air sea rescue helicopter.
All those people on the tow path arnt batting an eyelid.

Your comments are much more perceptive than many others

David49

On Facebook there is a video of a barge being lifted out the collapsed canal in UK by a Chinook helicopter.

A Chinook can lift 12 tons, a large barge weighs 50 tons, yet there are many arguing that it is a genuine video, it’s a very convincing video but it is AI.

It’s not convincing. Why was the canal boat being lifted out of the water.
Why would you use a piece of equipment that costs upwards of $38. To do the job.
Look at the outine of the barge: it’s sharp. Always a good clue.
And the clincher, have you felt the downdraft from a helicopter, I have, it was an air sea rescue helicopter.
All those people on the tow path arnt batting an eyelid.

Once the genie is out of the bottle controlling what it does is impossible, you can of course legislate, but criminals will ignore that. We see today illegal hacking of companies, hacking or reprogramming the robots of the future is going to be a real issue.

But rather difficult if it was stuck in the mud.

Allira

A Chinook could lift a small narrow boat.

chatgtp says that a medium size narrow boat, fully fitted would weigh between 10 - 20 tons

I think it's unrealistic to expect everyone to fact check every video they post or watch,

What bothered me was that Gnet refused to take the link down once I had reported it as an AI generated fake. The mod said it wasn't contravening the guidelines and that it was up to individuals to judge if what they were watching was fake or not.

I'm OK with them not actually banning AI generated material (after all, some of us use it as a search engine or a quick way of analysing research) but if a video fake has been identified I do think they should remove it.

After all, not everyone reads the full thread ;they might miss the post flagging the video up as fake and take it as real. Perhaps even pass the link on. This is how misinformation spreads and it's going to get far worse in the future...

A Chinook could lift a small narrow boat.

Let’s just try to be kind and tolerant.

We all make mistakes, bots and mischief makers aside, no one on here deliberately misleads anyone.

To err is human.

There are fact checking sites but the best check of all is what’s happening on the mainstream news, for instance on the canal boats if a Chinook was able to move the barges it would be on the news on tv and in the papers.It’s going to take a long time to move the boats and repair the canal banks.
It’s a temptation to believe anything that chimes with our own views online but has to be resisted.😬

On Facebook there is a video of a barge being lifted out the collapsed canal in UK by a Chinook helicopter.

A Chinook can lift 12 tons, a large barge weighs 50 tons, yet there are many arguing that it is a genuine video, it’s a very convincing video but it is AI.

Oreo

Do some research rather than just accepting whatever a site says.If in doubt don’t post it on here.

I think that’s easier said than done for a lot of people. Not everyone can immediately tell what’s fake, especially when it looks like a genuine interview or news article.

Maybe it would help if we agreed on a few simple checks before posting, for example:
* Is it reported by a recognised news outlet?
* Can the same story be found on more than one reputable site?
* Is there a named journalist and a clear publication date?

If something turns out to be wrong, a polite correction is probably more useful than criticism. I think the OP was swift to recognise the problem in this instance. Most people here aren’t trying to mislead anyone; they’re just sharing what they think is interesting or relevant.

Allira

There are a few fact-checking sites
(Making sure the site itself isn't fake of course!)

I recently googled and found a list of authentic fact-checkers, including those that are affiliated with the International Fact-Checking Network (IFCN).

Oreo

Wasn’t he old himself then Dickens?

... yes, I wasn't able to find a toy-boy...

He wanted to hear the views of others in his age group and knew I was on GN, and therefore interested in the opinions of women.

There are a few fact-checking sites
(Making sure the site itself isn't fake of course!)

Cross checking a lot more carefully than I did, and it's not too hard. I just entered in the normal search engine for the Obama one.

"Did Obama make a video with "rot in hell in" or was it fake" and it ID's that although Trump used the phrase "Rot in Hell several times, Obama had not used it in that fake video.

Do some research rather than just accepting whatever a site says.If in doubt don’t post it on here.

Oreo

Well I agree Dickens and I want to add that it’s up to all of us on here not to post fake news/ interviews from SM sources.
This pours fuel on the fire and is a waste of everyone’s time.

How do you suggest that people who don't know something is fake (it obviously happens) know not to post it on GN?