POTUS Trump, stated on Air Force One over night, ^We need Greenland^

Less Christianity.

Going green

Not exactly robust for anything.

Also not listening to what the Uk military have been saying since the mid 90s.

They are the ones that should know what they are talking about.

We had warnings. Lots of them.

I also think, relying on Europe to do anything much is a big weakness. If not huge.

It may have been better when a lot less Countries, but ironically the more Countries that joined the EU, the weaker it became.
32 Countries are not going to agree on anything.

Lack of defense spending for one thing.

Many people[not just meaning people on GN] seem to get mixed up with defense and attack.

Just because a Country has good defense, in no way can mean they are always ready to attack.

I feel genuinely upset over all this, time was that even though there were conflicts and unrest around the world we kind of knew where we stood. Now the world has turned on its axis and I fear for the younger generation who inherit this not so brave new world. It seems nobody can get rid of Trump but he is intent upon getting rid of any other leader who has rich resources in their back yard. NATO could fall and Europe is too weak to do much except look indignant.
How on earth do we come to this.

Venezuela, Greenland, Wherever next? Be afraid , bevery afraid.

But Trump is only doing what the old European Colonial Powers used to do including our own Great British Empire.

You know march into someone elses conytry. Put you flag on it tjen claim it is yours the take all their natural resources.

Oops, I'm wrong. Clearly need another coffee! Apologies.

Allira

Colls

Interesting that the world globe hugely distorts the size of Greenland.
It is in fact the size between UK and France.
Wonder of POTUS knows that!

Greenland is significantly larger than the UK and nearly four times the size of France. It is the world's largest island.

It is not its size, anyway, it is Greenland's resources at stake here.

Yes, I realise I misread it.Apologies.

Whitewavemark2

Rosie51

Whitewavemark2

Yes it is very worrying.

There is no doubt that he got very excited over the success in Venezuela - that sugar rush will be repeated.

The question now is what happens to NATO if it fails to defend Greenland?

It is disastrous.

If NATO stands by and allows Trump to take Greenland then NATO is finished and discredited beyond repair. The USA will be solely responsible and will not be forgiven even when Trump has gone.

I am not clear what NATO would do if Trump takes over Greenland.

So it seems to me that NATO is already under severe strain, which must be Putins New Year wishes all coming at once.

So is the future for Europe almost certainly under threat from Russia.

The takeover of Greenland is -listening to the radio - something that can and will happen without a shot being fired.
The USA has a base in Greenland, and all it has to do is simply move in more troops to a level needed to defend themselves. Take down the Danish flag - fly the Stars and Stripes.

Job done.

Greenland has it own flag, so the Danish flag is only flown there, if at all, when the King visits.

And the American military presence in Greenland is smaller than it used to be.

Do please, try to get facts right, or say, if we are unsure of them!

Taking into account that the League of Nations did damn all when Hitler annexed Austria, it would be naive to assume that NATO can do anything if Trump does try to take Greenland or anywhere else.

NATO does not have a standing army, and as far as I know no country on earth has everyconsidered how it legally could get rid of a President or monarch, for that matter, who became insane, or while sane constituted a danger to his own and other countries.

So start praying, and praying hard that Trump drops dead, or that the forty-whatever percent of Americans who did not vote for Trump work out some way of getting rid of him.

Unfortunately, the link does not work.

GrannyGravy13

He went on to say that Greenland is surrounded by Russian and Chinese War Ships, and that Greenland and Denmark are not willing to do anything about it.

We (USA) need Greenland for our security

Up till now I have thought it was just bluster could he be on a roll of hostile takeovers?

In Denmark and in Greenland this is being taken very seriously.

According to our Navy, there are NO Russian nor Chinese battleships anywhere near Greenland, but we all know that Trump says anything that suits him.

He wants Greenland, and unfortunately no-one has yet convinced him that he can't have it.

Not so long ago he wanted Canada too, and some say he wants Mexico, and having got his claws into Venuzuela, he is said to be considering trying the same thing on both Cuba and Colombia.

As a business tycoon Trump has spent most of his adult life getting precisely what he wanted. He obviously does not realise that international politics and diplomacy have different rules.

The trouble is, that no-one knows how to stop him.

Colls

Interesting that the world globe hugely distorts the size of Greenland.
It is in fact the size between UK and France.
Wonder of POTUS knows that!

Greenland is significantly larger than the UK and nearly four times the size of France. It is the world's largest island.

It is not its size, anyway, it is Greenland's resources at stake here.

Trump is a bully and like all bullies he seems to get his way.
I don't believe the theory that people get their due as too many bullies - like Putin- get away with things for years.

Interesting that the world globe hugely distorts the size of Greenland.
It is in fact the size between UK and France.
Wonder of POTUS knows that!

(in the same way as Falklands gave us Antarctica)
That is simply not true in any way.

It is entirely separate, and a distance of about 1,500 km separates the Falklands etc from Antarctica.

He has a corporate mind-set, which will not do for a politician. The difference is consensus and publicity. He has not learned to engage brain before mouth, and seek consensus, at least among his peers before deciding on actions.
However, his corporate mind sees that Ukraine is a no win for their people. It sees that the US needs to reign in its global spending, and I am guessing that he sees Greenland as an untapped resource as well as access to a slice of the Artic ice (in the same way as Falklands gave us Antarctica)

And this is the man who thinks he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize. It's like the beginning of a dystopian fiction book.

Good to see the European leaders gathering in Paris.

Allira

Grantanow

I wonder what would happen if Putin or Xi invaded Greenland. I can see the strategic importance of Greenland to the USA from looking at a globe map and no doubt so can Russia and China.

Trump is playing right into their hands, but he cannot see that, of course.

I think Trump is in alliance with Putin which is why he won't condemn him for his land grabbing in Ukraine. I can't help wondering if there is a deal with Russia regarding Venezuela we don't know about and this rhetoric against Europe is part of that. Russia may well be less worried about Greenland if he sees Europe left in the lurch by Trump.

Grantanow

I wonder what would happen if Putin or Xi invaded Greenland. I can see the strategic importance of Greenland to the USA from looking at a globe map and no doubt so can Russia and China.

But the salient point is Greenland (& other countries including Canada and Venezuela) are not part of USA and no one, regardless of their reasons, should be effectively invading them!

eazybee

Sad to say, I do not believe the majority of Americans care greatly about what happens in the rest of the world unless it affects them directly. I doubt if there will be much of a move to unseat Trump, because after all, 'he is making America Great again.'
They think.

The majority of Americans disagree with you. They care, but Trump and Republicans are doing enough damage domestically that they need to focus on their own hardships. Do you care that millions of Americans lost healthcare coverage on the first of this month? Do you care about how many Americans will remain ill as a result of Trump’s policies? Do you care about the minorities and women losing education assistance due to Trump? Do you care about the millions of Americans who will face food instability due to the cuts to SNAP benefits? People all over the world have problems to deal with directly in front of their faces. This madman may have supporters in the US but he has harmed many there as well. The entire playbook was to undo all that helped level the playing field and it is working. Disparities between the wealthy and white, and minorities will grow exponentially as a result of this administration. And guess what? He’s also attacking the voting rights of minority communities by using Republicans to legislate voting barriers and diluting their votes with gerrymandering. Please do not thumb your nose up at all Americans just because you don’t understand their own domestic challenges.

Trump has what is possibly dementia. If so, his thought processes will not improve. But, this suits the Puppet Masters, who know how to control him. Lots of praise. Lots of TV appearances.
Don't know how this will resolve.

fancythat

Not to say they dont care, but the US is so big, I think they are rather inward looking as well.

I have to say I dont know that many Americans.
Know a couple of people who lived there for a few months.

Well yes, and am not blaming Americans for being inward looking, for as you say they have a massive country, so domestic affairs figure large - literally.

Not to say they dont care, but the US is so big, I think they are rather inward looking as well.

I have to say I dont know that many Americans.
Know a couple of people who lived there for a few months.