Is it wrong to identify as something you aren’t?

People seem to identify with whatever they like these days, and are annoyed and cause havoc if they aren't seen as such.
It's a mixed up world. no one seems to know who or what they are. Gender has become a thing of the past.
Be who you want to be!
And I have no problem with that ( well maybe a small problem), , but I can't be expected to submit to all the new norms at the drop.of a hat, if I don't even know what they are.

LemonJam

A person suffering from anorexia nervosa will often identify as fat and feel that they are overweight, even when they are severely or dangerously underweight. Known as body image disturbance or body dysmorphia...

According to the NHS, Anorexia nervosa (often called anorexia) is an eating disorder and serious mental health condition.

A lot of people identifying as something they’re not, adamantly deny that they are suffering from a mental illness.

There is also the psychological condition, 'imposter syndrome '.

petra, may I second your proposal?

A person suffering from anorexia nervosa will often identify as fat and feel that they are overweight, even when they are severely or dangerously underweight. Known as body image disturbance or body dysmorphia...

M0nica

Identifying means that you really think you are what you identify as, and I would expect it to infuse you whole life.

Pretending is just that pretending to be something that you know you are not and only at specific times and in specific cases.

In this case dressing up as a high ranking naval officer at Remembrance parades.

Like a person suffering from anorexia nervosa is ‘identifying’ as fat?

I nominate Trump as someone masquerading as someone they’re not.
Just for laughs😂

www.facebook.com/reel/1471260204021954

I'm not even vaguely surprised to read about this guy pretending to be an admiral and a spy.
I dont even think that it's unusual.
Certainly there's a lot of elaborate embroidery on the Internet.
The biggest liar that I've encountered was introduced to me as the perfect gentleman by an old friend and neighbour .
He seemed very nice when our relationship tentatively began on the phone for several weeks until we met up.
And when we finally met up he love bombed and proposed to me.
I was like a young giddy girl with my head filled with all kinds of nonsense.
One of my friends,who doesn't mince words told me that he seemed to good to be true.
How right she was .
He said that he was a film director /producer and had a string of Baftas.
I believed him .
Then overnight , he lost control and turned into a foul tempered,highly abusive drunk and the incredible tissue of lies was exposed .

He reportedly told neighbours that he worked for NATO and was spying on Russians. He had been photographed at previous Remembrance ceremonies wearing the uniform and all the medals.

Just been reading that he took the suit to a tailor to have the Admiral stripes put on. He was never in the navy but once worked with cadets when he was a teacher.

Maremia

Thanks Doodledog, but when did I post about men dressing as women?

I don't know . I didn't suggest that you had.

But I find your “reasons” equally an attempt to shut down discussions.

To explain this, just try

Some people give the reason that GP is a famous person for allowing some of his unacceptable actions.

Some people use the excuse that GP is a famous person for allowing some of his unacceptable actions.
I’m not sure why you see one as a discussion stopper, but not the other.


Not sure how you see one as more of a

That was to Mollygo.

Simply by your post at 11.05.
My apologies, if I misunderstood.

When did I talk about artists?

My point is when people give reasons why people offend, in an attempt to understand why they take those actions/ those choices, I do not accept that those reasons should be dismissed as 'excuses'.
Attempting to dismiss reasons as 'excuses', seems to me to be an attempt to close down discussion.
Is that clearer now?
Again thanks Doodledog.

Maremia

What made you think I was referring to you Mollygo?

Why do you think I might have thought that, Maremia?

Thanks Doodledog, but when did I post about men dressing as women?

When people talk about 'some posters' it is impossible for anyone to know if they are being targeted or not. If they try to answer the point they can be accused of seeing everything as being about them, and if they don't answer, the point is being made without opposition. It's not necessarily intentional, but is a very unfair debating strategy. At worst, it can look as though the poster using that strategy is too cowardly to name the person (or people) directly, so it's not great from that perspective either.

To be fair to Maremia, the OP didn't make the point about men versus women though, Molly. It asked if there was a lesson in the fact that someone had been arrested for impersonating a naval officer. I must admit that the parallel with men claiming to be women didn't occur to me until later in the thread (although it is a valid one in some ways).

If a man dresses as a woman, does his shopping, goes to the pub and comes home, I don't see any reason why he should be prosecuted. If he dresses as a woman and uses female changing rooms, examines women in the guise of a female doctor or turns up in a DV refuge saying he is female, there is, IMO, a huge difference. I am not transphobic - I just believe in single sex spaces being respected as such, and these days w need the law to uphold that.

What made you think I was referring to you Mollygo?

Brilliant clarification eazybee.
For Carley’s impersonation offence - illegal so arrest and a fine.
TW - well let’s just say it’s unacceptable rather than illegal , and avoid having to endorse it. After all they’re only offending some women.

I don't think the prosecution had anything to do with the complaint being made by a man. The offence had been committed at least four times, there was eyewitness evidence, and the offence was illegal, impersonating an officer.

As for men's pretences offending women, they have been ruled unacceptable by the Supreme Court; it is the delay initiated in endorsing the guidelines by this and the Scottish government for reasons best known to themselves which is preventing them from being enforced.

I'd rather see more motorists prosecuted.
Me too theworriedwell

My original point on this thread was that it’s strange how when a man found another man’s pretence offensive the offender was brought to court and fined.
When men’s pretences offend women . . .

There have been many cases throughout the country of people posing as nurses, doctors etc.

Here’s one who posed as a psychiatrist and worked in the NHS for 22 Years!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-49086030

Allira

^The “admiral” was lying but he wasn’t hurting anyone, just offending them^.

Thst is not the point.

The point is, what he has been doing for years is against the law.

The catfishing story is entirely different and all the comparisons posters keep making on this thread are irrelevant.

So do you think everything that is illegal should be prosecuted? So no fixed penalties, no stupid teenager getting a talking to and given a chance, every shoplifter prosecuted. How many police officers and courts do you think we'd need? Look out for the hut on your taxes.

Lots of those other things are more damaging to society and/or dangerous than a man wearing the wrong costume to respectfully lay a wreath to commemorate the dead.

Having dealt with the aftermath of my child being hit by a selfish driver I'd rather see more motorists prosecuted.

Maremia

'Excuses' can be reasons. Why are some Posters trying to limit the discussion?

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If you mean me by “some posters” Maremia, I’m not trying to limit discussions. Rather, you are doing just that.

Am I, in your view, not allowed to hold the opinion that using the brilliance of someone’s performing,
or painting,
or writing,
or whether or not he means any harm
to excuse the fact that pretending to be something that you aren’t is wrong?

Or are we only allowed to say it’s wrong if you approve? Now that’s a real discussion limiter.

'Excuses' can be reasons. Why are some Posters trying to limit the discussion?