Woman shot and killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota

Thank you for the links, Syracute. It's important to get a rounded picture.

I find that Starfire ( whether intentional or not ) tries to dominate the conversation with very long comments with a lot of spacing in between that creates a very dominant effect.

Grandmabatty

I feel this thread has been hijacked by one poster in particular who doesn't want a discussion but a reiteration of their views only. And so, I'm out.

Pot kettle black.
It’s high time that posters realised that others have different views and opinions on here without becoming personal.

Oreo

How about posters not dismissing Starfire57 then? It works both ways you know.
And do you know what the population of the US is? So anecdotes about some relatives of posters don’t mean much.

I don't think Starfire57 has been dismissed. People have taken time and care in answering her. Many of us will have multiple sources for information on what is happening, including other people living there.

When people have very fixed ideas of the truth it's sensible to expected those ideas will be challenged. There isn't, and never will be, one truth, particularly in politics and economics. Starfire's truth seems to come from asking "Who representsus, and who is destroyingus?” that is one way of looking at how we are governed but it would be naive to think that this is the starting point that everyone sees.

Grandmabatty

I feel this thread has been hijacked by one poster in particular who doesn't want a discussion but a reiteration of their views only. And so, I'm out.

The real problem is that some posters treat their opinion as fact, which of course it isn’t.

Opinions do not need a reply, so these post can be skipped, as they take the thread no further forward.

It is much more interesting to read evidence based posts and perhaps the replies with evidence based counter argument.

Syracute- thank you for your links 7.59, 8.02, 8.08 and 8.14 regarding the limited rights of illegal aliens in US. I had not seen all the but was aware of the prosectors disgusted by Trumps heavy handed tactics and disagreeing with some of Starfire's assertions and posted about this earlier.

Oreo

Cossy

Syracute

Clearly media hysteria!

Honestly, I’m not sure why we bother responding to the very few posters on here who will never admit how very right wing they are nor admit they might just be wrong.

I’m wrong about lots of things, I’m quite happy to be shown evidence I’m wrong or to research or speak ro someone far more knowledgable than myself.

Any one know which state starfire lives? I’m know things are very different in different parts of the USA, with many differing opinions.

Critical thinking is the key, as is active listening.

It’s clear here we all have our own beliefs, views and moral compasses.

That’s fine, we all have differing live experiences which shape us.

Please don’t bother responding on my account, but don’t use the ‘we’ word because that looks very much like ganging up doesn’t it?
Also don’t use the words right wing to me because I’m certainly not.Nor am I far left, just a Labour voter who along with millions of others are aghast at what Starmer and his happy campers are doing policy wise.
I also won’t admit I’m wrong because I’m not wrong.I haven’t read a single post on here that say anyone deserves to be shot, rather that the two women acted foolishly in my opinion in obstructing armed officials by their words and actions.
Many others are protesting in a very different way and there’s no way they would be harmed in doing that.
Other opinions think differently and I wouldn’t diss or in any way be rude to posters with differing views, it’s just an online forum courtesy.

Please stop hiding behind your endless ‘I’m a Labour voter’ comments. As a lifelong Labour voter I do not recognise your political beliefs as being the same as mine. And I shall report my post to HQ myself: if they want to ban me for making personal comments sobeit. How on earth you can continue to support an obvious MAGA/Trump supporter is beyond me.

Maremia 13.50: "Syracute, so very sorry that your fellow citizens are being treated in such a cruel, unjustified and illegal way".

I echo that Syracute.

Grandmabatty 13.57- I feel your frustration- hope you dont leave us....
Maremia 14.00- 👍

Or, simply skip past. WE are not obliged to read and or respond to every post.

Ordinary folk are not always allowed into courts. Yes, we know that, thank you.
But Reporters are, so I will ask again, are there any details coming out about the due process that has been claimed upthread?

I feel this thread has been hijacked by one poster in particular who doesn't want a discussion but a reiteration of their views only. And so, I'm out.

Syracute, so very sorry that your fellow citizens are being treated in such a cruel, unjustified and illegal way.

Don't post this, don't post that?
WE are all equal, and may post according to our views, just as long as we remain within the Code of Gransnet.

Cossy

Syracute

Clearly media hysteria!

Honestly, I’m not sure why we bother responding to the very few posters on here who will never admit how very right wing they are nor admit they might just be wrong.

I’m wrong about lots of things, I’m quite happy to be shown evidence I’m wrong or to research or speak ro someone far more knowledgable than myself.

Any one know which state starfire lives? I’m know things are very different in different parts of the USA, with many differing opinions.

Critical thinking is the key, as is active listening.

It’s clear here we all have our own beliefs, views and moral compasses.

That’s fine, we all have differing live experiences which shape us.

Please don’t bother responding on my account, but don’t use the ‘we’ word because that looks very much like ganging up doesn’t it?
Also don’t use the words right wing to me because I’m certainly not.Nor am I far left, just a Labour voter who along with millions of others are aghast at what Starmer and his happy campers are doing policy wise.
I also won’t admit I’m wrong because I’m not wrong.I haven’t read a single post on here that say anyone deserves to be shot, rather that the two women acted foolishly in my opinion in obstructing armed officials by their words and actions.
Many others are protesting in a very different way and there’s no way they would be harmed in doing that.
Other opinions think differently and I wouldn’t diss or in any way be rude to posters with differing views, it’s just an online forum courtesy.

Caleo

I wonder how much power mayors of cities have to exclude operations of Trump's armed militia.

I don’t know, but at a guess zero!

Also what about all those poor souls working in govt and other places suddenly losing their jobs via Elon Musks mob, wonder how they are managing!

I posted something about US energy costs on another thread here, a poor woman’s take on it in New York

Syracute

Cossy : Good post.

It is comforting to know that most posters here see the appalling death of Renee for what it is,

I wonder how much power mayors of cities have to exclude operations of Trump's armed militia.

At the beginning of this thread, I expressed doubts about how robust the recruitment was of prospective ICE agents, and how thorough their training.
Starfire and I were in agreement with this.
The organisation was assembled hurriedly, and the timescale offered little opportunity (or interest?) for adequate training.
So, we have poorly vetted, poorly trained people on the streets with guns: what could possibly go wrong?

Cossy : Good post.

It is comforting to know that most posters here see the appalling death of Renee for what it is,

Case Studies of Mistaken Deportations:
Roberto Dominguez: Born in Massachusetts, he was deported to the Dominican Republic in 1999, only to return years later after obtaining a U.S. passport.
Pedro Guzman: A native Californian, deported to Mexico in 2007, he returned to the U.S. and later received $350,000 in compensation from the government.
Mark Daniel Lyttle: A North Carolina native, deported to Mexico in 2008, he successfully sued the government for wrongful removal.

Btw, “media hysteria” does work both ways.

Since the death of Renee Good much has been printed about her in YSA media, social and news.

Her family has had to issue a statement denying that this woman had any criminal history and that her wife is not a political agitator.

Her children will be aware of all this, as well as the nasty homophobic remarks.

Whatever she chose to do or not do, in her car, or why, there is no excuse for shooting this woman dead.

Anyone who feels “she deserved” this for not immediately get out of her car need to be cleaner than clean and never have made any mistakes in their own lives.

Would I have got out of my car immediately ? I’m not so sure what I would have done, especially when there was already chaos and many many ICE officers crowding the streets. They are not law enforcement, they are specifically employed to seek out illegal immigrants, Renee Good was not an illegal immigrant.

Sadly, this isn’t an isolated event.

Syracute

Clearly media hysteria!

Honestly, I’m not sure why we bother responding to the very few posters on here who will never admit how very right wing they are nor admit they might just be wrong.

I’m wrong about lots of things, I’m quite happy to be shown evidence I’m wrong or to research or speak ro someone far more knowledgable than myself.

Any one know which state starfire lives? I’m know things are very different in different parts of the USA, with many differing opinions.

Critical thinking is the key, as is active listening.

It’s clear here we all have our own beliefs, views and moral compasses.

That’s fine, we all have differing live experiences which shape us.

The actual reason for Minnesota prosecutors resigned in protest.
www.pbs.org/newshour/show/doj-prosecutors-resign-in-protest-over-handling-of-ice-shooting-investigation#:~:text=At%20least%20four%20senior%20leaders,prosecutors%20have%20left%20their%20posts.

www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118180/documents/HMKP-119-JU00-20250430-SD003.pdf

This shows a list of incidents where US citizens were illegally arrested or detained by ICE