Woman shot and killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota

'Frenzies'? Are you talking about Trump's incoherent, nocturnal ramblings on his misnamed Truth Social?

It’s on target for the thread subject matter, but I guess calling it a personal obsession is simply an insult when the poster has run out of counter arguments.

Syracute

petra

Starfire57
Surely you must realise that these Anchor babies have been subsidising your cheap food through their low paid long hours jobs.

www.ilr.cornell.edu/mobilizing-against-inequality/post/five-ways-undocumented-immigrants-are-powering-american-economy

What does anchor babies have to do with anything e crept your personal obsession. Derailment of thread.

Whose obsession?

Surely this has rather a lot to do with the subject matter?
Immigration?
ICE = U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

petra

Starfire57
Surely you must realise that these Anchor babies have been subsidising your cheap food through their low paid long hours jobs.

www.ilr.cornell.edu/mobilizing-against-inequality/post/five-ways-undocumented-immigrants-are-powering-american-economy

Wouldn't Trump's father be known as an "anchor baby" now?
Must admit, I'd never heard of the term before this thread.

petra

Starfire57
Surely you must realise that these Anchor babies have been subsidising your cheap food through their low paid long hours jobs.

www.ilr.cornell.edu/mobilizing-against-inequality/post/five-ways-undocumented-immigrants-are-powering-american-economy

What does anchor babies have to do with anything e crept your personal obsession. Derailment of thread.

DAR 13.50 👍

A democratic election describes the way a leader is elected. Said leader then chooses their mode and style of leadership.

I challenge those that disagree Trump is authoritarian and showing fascist tendencies to define the following leadership styles:
1) democratic
2) authoritarian
3) fascist.

Then describe their view of Trump’s leadership/ governing style with examples

Thank you MaizieD. So for any president to attempt a rethink of this particular policy has to be an improvement? Even if the name is Trump?

ronib

Any guesses as to why Powell won’t cut the interest rate? Who is he protecting? Or not?

I think Powell is keeping interest rates high because it is the dominant neoclassical/neoliberal/ monetarist solution to inflation.

It's a ridiculous thing to do when inflation isn't caused by what is known in lay terms as ;too much money chasing too few goods'. But it's the only response to inflation that orthodox Central bankers are prepared to use.

It naturally benefits all those who 'invest' their money to get a good return on it; so that's mostly already wealthy people who have plenty of money to speculate with invest, but it is bad for those who have to pay more interest on loans, such as mortgages or business loans. It depresses rather than stimulates the economy.

It’s not deflection at all, it’s key to this fascist accusation in your own interpretation above on this thread, where you use the word dictator. The American people voted for him ( twice) and very many of them like his America first ethos. He won’t be able to stand for a third term but it’s a possibility that the Republicans are elected again, it’s the people’s choice who live there. (Oreo Mon 12-Jan-26 11:14:15)

Whether Trump was elected is not the issue. Fascism and authoritarianism are defined by how power is exercised, not how it is initially acquired. Many historically authoritarian leaders were elected. The relevant question is whether Trump’s behavior - his attacks on elections, courts, the press, and constraints on executive power - aligns with recognised fascistic or authoritarian patterns. Dismissing that discussion by pointing to electoral victory avoids the substance of the claim rather than addressing it.

Just to clarify this is my simply written description of fascism.

1. Personalist strongman leadership

2. Ultranationalism (“real people” vs internal enemies)

3. Disdain for democratic norms and constraints

4. Delegitimisation of the press, courts, and elections

5. Fusion of state power with loyal elites

6. Use or encouragement of political violence

7. Myth of national decline and promised restoration

Any guesses as to why Powell won’t cut the interest rate? Who is he protecting? Or not?

If Trump manages to get rid of Jay Powell and install a sycophant it will be on its way to a state managed economy. Not a command economy like a communist state's, but controlling the money supply.

(Though I do actually think that cutting the interest rate, which Powell is refusing to do to order) would be beneficial)

David I agree, I think his ideology must be centre left.

Whitewavemark2

The USA is not a fascist state, but Trump is definitely showing fascist tendencies

What it is not is

A dictatorship

Extreme nationalism

A single party state

A state managed economy

What it is however and has tendency towards

Nationalism

Scapegoating minorities

Authoritarian leader

Setting up of paramilitary groups

A cult of national strength

A tendency to try to control the media

👏👏👏👏

Casdon

But of course, Galaxy, the opposite approach doesn’t work either. That’s why there are now widespread protests against Trump, and other oppressive right wing regimes, it would happen here if Farage was in charge in the UK too. The truth is that the only political system that can succeed long term is one of compromise, the middle ground.

Starmer himself is pretty close to the middle ground, his MPs definitely aren’t, so his policies are not supported making him look a weak and indecisive leader.

You’ve probably covered this in your link maizie but I got sidetracked in the middle of posting my fascist definition and hadn’t read your post etc.

The USA is not a fascist state, but Trump is definitely showing fascist tendencies

What it is not is

A dictatorship

Extreme nationalism

A single party state

A state managed economy

What it is however and has tendency towards

Nationalism

Scapegoating minorities

Authoritarian leader

Setting up of paramilitary groups

A cult of national strength

A tendency to try to control the media

petra

Starfire57
If you can, watch this film. It’s a mockumentry but hammers home the truth.
The film shows that one day all the Mexicans disappear from California where the state collapses without them.

www.imdb.com/title/tt0377744/

Having cousins in California I can confirm many many businesses and people take advantage, and indeed rely on, black market illegal employers from Mexico.

petra

Starfire57
Surely you must realise that these Anchor babies have been subsidising your cheap food through their low paid long hours jobs.

www.ilr.cornell.edu/mobilizing-against-inequality/post/five-ways-undocumented-immigrants-are-powering-american-economy

Good point!

Starfire57
If you can, watch this film. It’s a mockumentry but hammers home the truth.
The film shows that one day all the Mexicans disappear from California where the state collapses without them.

www.imdb.com/title/tt0377744/

Starfire57
Surely you must realise that these Anchor babies have been subsidising your cheap food through their low paid long hours jobs.

www.ilr.cornell.edu/mobilizing-against-inequality/post/five-ways-undocumented-immigrants-are-powering-american-economy

I'm fascinated by the concept that Trumps's regime can't be fascist because he was democratically elected. Of course a fascist leader can be democratically elected. Fascism is just another political ideology, like conservatism or socialism. The elections might be rigged, like Putin's are, but they pay lip service to democracy.

This is a link to a booklet prepared by the US Military at the end of WW2, when fascist regimes were the ones the Allies, fought to destroy. It is a text on how to recognise fascism.

Read though it and judge whether the 'signs' can be recognised in Trump's regime.

archive.org/details/ArmyTalkOrientationFactSheet64-Fascism/mode/2up

There seem to be two main themes to Trump's philosophy of government.

1) Might is Right

2) L'etat c'est moi

Talking of frenzies, executive orders??

Oreo

I think we have changed our laws here in the UK so that having a baby on ‘British Soil’ no longer confers citizenship.

Which is right as people were coming, quite legally, but pregnant.

I have absolutely no issue whatsoever with proper legislation which goes through congress, anchor babies is certainly not right and is an issue we don’t have in the UK as we already changed our legislation, without one shot being fired!

Fascism is thrown around so often now that it’s losing all meaning.

Well said.
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