Woman shot and killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota

MayBee70

We have an American president who tells people that there is no free speech in the UK and yet people on this forum are saying the woman was murdered because she should have had the sense to not protest against Trump and his henchmen (because they carried guns and had the backing of the president to use them). People died in the insurrection and yet Trump pardoned the people responsible. That says all I need to know about him and his administration and the way it works. So many double standards.

It's a conundrum, Maybee!

ronib

She should have had the sense to get out of the car when told to do so.

So it's her own fault she died?

Unbelievable.

She should have had the sense to get out of the car when told to do so.

We have an American president who tells people that there is no free speech in the UK and yet people on this forum are saying the woman was murdered because she should have had the sense to not protest against Trump and his henchmen (because they carried guns and had the backing of the president to use them). People died in the insurrection and yet Trump pardoned the people responsible. That says all I need to know about him and his administration and the way it works. So many double standards.

No she didn’t deserve to die. And protestors need to work out how to protest safely. There are ground rules. Follow them or take the consequences. Is it worth it?

Oreo

A rude post to anyone who disagrees with you Cossy
I haven’t read a single comment that says the poor woman’s death was ‘justified’ as you claim.
The more pragmatic among us know that you don’t taunt and disobey an order from armed officers in the US ( or anywhere else for that matter) as it could end badly for you.That doesn’t mean it’s justified, just that’s the way it is.

My post was not “rude”, it was my opinion Oreo, there are posters on here who’ve stated very clearly “she should have done as she was told” If that sentence doesn’t imply “she deserved this” I really don’t know what does.

This woman lost her life, being shot to death, by over zealous men with guns, who know that what ever they do Trump will support them. Look back at the riots? Trump pardoned every single one of these people and has released some extremely dubious prisoners.

Trump could order public executions in the street, whilst people line dance and sing, some people would still not say anything Trump does or exists is wrong.

There’s ways of cracking down on illegal immigration, ICE in their current regime are not one of them.

I make no apology for sticking up for what’s right.

Legitimate protest is not misguided but anyone involved should, I hope work out how to survive long enough to get home safely. If that means stepping out of a car when asked, so be it.
The officer involved had been injured in June 2025 when a car sped off somehow taking him along. So it’s not surprising that he wasn’t going to take any risks this time?

Maremia

Only 27 weeks? And then they may go onto the sreets and bully and intimidated and murder citizens.

27 weeks is certainly an improvement on 6

Lathyrus3

Actually Cossy as a (somewhat distant) relative of Edith Cavell, I want to object to you using her life as a comparison with the protest methods evidenced here.

Edith Cavell, as a nurse, treated both German and British patients without prejudice and with the same care. Her motive in helping prisoners escape was to save their lives. At no point was she a “protestor” in the way she behaved. Indeed she was noted by the Germans for her dignity and respect for them as human beings, even when facing death.

Personally I think the shooting was totally wrong.

But Edith Cavell would not have been associated with this type of protest in any way, and I do not think you should use her as an example.

( incidentally her name is pronounced to rhyme with gravel, in case anyone is saying it as Ca vell)

It wasn’t me that mentioned Edith Cavell in the first instance? I pointed to suffragettes in my examples, someone else mentioned people by name, I replied and agreed.

It is sad that even here there are people who believe that protest in misguided. Without protest we’d still be without- paid leave, the vote, maternity benefits, unable to own property, unable to have children with us after divorce … etc.
Many laws are proved wrong after protest. And in the US and UK it is often a matter of emphasis/ interpretation.

Oreo

If, and with forums it’s a big if, Native Americans are taken in for questioning then they can soon prove who they are and will be then immediately released.

That’s simply not the point! Suppose a suspect over here for any supposed “crime” was described as “female with grey hair” and they were all taken in, at gunpoint, to prove their innocence?

He was a firearms trainer! That makes it, if possible, even more depressing.
Thanks for that detail imaround.

ICE hasn’t a clue what it is doing, which makes them doubly dangerous

At least five Native American men have been detained and an unknown number questioned by immigration officers across the Minneapolis area in the midst of what a top official called the “largest immigration raid ever.”

After 2,000 Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents arrived in Minneapolis early this week, Indigenous residents on the city’s southside have witnessed agents question and even detain community members. Blocks away from a local Native American housing community, a 37-year-old mother was shot by ICE agents Wednesday, sparking nationwide protests.

“I think some of them [ICE] don’t even know what they’re doing or where they’re at,” said Little Crow Belcourt, White Earth Ojibwe and the director of the Indigenous Peoples Movement. “They’re just pulling people over at random, if you’re Brown. Some of our Native (American) people get mistaken for our relatives south of the border.”

It feels as if they feel empowered to act in a way they would not have done before by the Trumps regime - big time. Because they know they will get away with it.

But keep up the protests, imaround.

Remember the murder of George Floyd? it took activists to bring it into the light and ended up with Black Lives Matter.

After this thought I did a spot of googling. its being cited already.

NBC news

"ICE shooting reignites trauma in Minneapolis still shaped by George Floyd protests
Minneapolis residents say the killing of Renee Nicole Good triggered memories of 2020 in a city long conditioned to organize after violence by authorities".

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minneapolis-ice-shooting-george-floyd-rcna253206

Maremia

Officers with firearms should go through all sorts of training.

He was a firearms trainer.

ronib

No matter what I think about the police in the UK, I understand that if an authority figure tells me to step out of the car, then that’s precisely what I need to do. No ifs or buts. If any lessons are learned from this situation, then politeness and obedience to a directive may one day save lives. Don’t disrespect and disregard someone holding a weapon.

The bonus is most police do not carry guns in the UK.
Despite many frequent protests no one in the UK gets shot.
Let’s not forget this all happened in seconds.
There were witnesses that heard others say get out of here and leave.
So that’s what Renee was doing.
The officer called them fxxxing bxxches.

Protocol that is also in our law is that the officer must stand back from a departing vehicle.
I posted the exact law earlier in this thread.

Comparing certain far right political groups today with Nazi Germany isn’t completely out of order. Looking at the politics that led to the Holocaust can be helpful when trying to avoid making the same mistakes and also to call out anyone targeting certain groups due to far right hatred of said groups.
And I don’t think being Jewish should stop someone wanting those comparisons to be made. We are non practising Jews but have previous generations who did suffer during the Holocaust and I would not want to see this happen again anywhere, to any group of people, and most of our family and friends feel the same way, some living in NYC where most Jewish groups are firmly against Trump and his cronies and their hatred of certain other groups in the US.
Nobody can say that what is happening equates completely with what happened in Nazi Germany but there are resonances.
Others, of course can disagree.

Oreo

My choice would not have been to taunt and follow them around all day then disobey an order.
My choice, should I have wanted to would have been to join a bunch of protesters on the sidewalk.

Victim blaming! And exaggeration, she didn't "taunt them all day".

Good, Galaxy, I do enjoy an open and free discussion.

There are plenty of Native American lawyers who would soon be on the case.

If, and with forums it’s a big if, Native Americans are taken in for questioning then they can soon prove who they are and will be then immediately released.

You are of course entitled to discuss it, people are entitled to disagree with the comparisons.

Native Americans are not living there illegally. They have been living there for generations.
Native Americans are being targeted as 'illegal', just as the Jews were in 1930's Germany.
There are comparisons that exist, in history, even though that is being denied by some posters.

Until actual Admins say we may not.

When history repeats itself, we are entitled to discuss on any format, including here on GN, what history has told us, before history repeats itself.