Woman shot and killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota

Reliable reports this time Whitewavemark2 ?
If so, they will soon be released.

Whitewavemark2

Starfire57

Cossy

“THIS!!! If people in the media stopped the hysteria over law enforcement, if folks would just cooperate, so much of this would be avoided!

A person always has the right to see a judge and give those arguments. And worse case, if you did what you did, broke the law, then pay the penalty. And next time, don't do it.”

Oh dear, bit difficult to do this if you’re dead

My point being, you wouldn't be dead if you did it.

Not true I am afraid. If you read the description of the shootings, by no means were ICE officers in fear for their life in most cases.

Look at the deaths in custody.

But as the evidence is clearly being knobbled it is difficult to defend any of the deaths quite frankly

Wait....so you are saying if people cooperated, they'd still be shot/dead anyway?

Because my original point was that if you cooperate, like in this case of obstruction, chances are, either you are let go with a warning or jailed for obstruction, which btw is indeed, against the law. But, jail, better than dead.

Quite Lathyrus3 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

I read reports that ICE have detained a number of native Americans.

Anyone got any idea where ICE will deport them?

They don’t match at all, never mind not exactly!

Actually Cossy as a (somewhat distant) relative of Edith Cavell, I want to object to you using her life as a comparison with the protest methods evidenced here.

Edith Cavell, as a nurse, treated both German and British patients without prejudice and with the same care. Her motive in helping prisoners escape was to save their lives. At no point was she a “protestor” in the way she behaved. Indeed she was noted by the Germans for her dignity and respect for them as human beings, even when facing death.

Personally I think the shooting was totally wrong.

But Edith Cavell would not have been associated with this type of protest in any way, and I do not think you should use her as an example.

( incidentally her name is pronounced to rhyme with gravel, in case anyone is saying it as Ca vell)

Pointing to examples in the past is entirely valid.

The situations do not have to exactly match the ones currently happening.

when we are discussing the steady, piece by piece growth of a tyranny affecting ordinary people lives, plus a divided society (ie MAGA support the tyrannical leader):

The parallels are all too obvious.

Oreo

Starfire57

Maremia

When the SS began targeting 'illegals' in Germany in the 1930's, they were not at war. When Posters see and understand echoes from the past, they are entitled to discuss those trends.

Incorrect. That was not the same as people invading the US illegally. Jewish did not illegally migrate to Germany. They were encouraged to migrate early on.

But later on, they stripped of their rights as citizens, effectively becoming illegal. But ironically, the government imposed high emigration taxes, making leaving difficult.

But the horror of putting them into camps, enslaving them and then the gas chambers......to compare that to the US deporting illegal Mexicans is quite insulting to the memories of those people, I would think.

www.bing.com/search?q=were%20jewish%20actually%20migrate%20illegally%20to%201930s%20germany&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&lq=0&pq=were%20jewish%20actually%20migrate%20illegally%20to%201930s%20germany&sc=0-55&sk=&cvid=AF677861F25C427F9F639FA7E1CC09D4

It is insulting, as a Jew I can assure you of that.

I can only imagine. So sorry.

MayBee70

I honestly can’t believe that some people on this thread are condoning the fact that this woman was shot in the head and that it was her own fault.

Do you know what condoning means? Just asking as there are no posts condoning this shooting at all.

Oreo

Maremia

When the SS began targeting 'illegals' in Germany in the 1930's, they were not at war. When Posters see and understand echoes from the past, they are entitled to discuss those trends.

Six million Jews were murdered in Germany, they were the real targets of the Nazi regime, not ‘illegals’.

Jews were not Hitler's only targets 1in the 1930s

aboutholocaust.org/en/facts/were-jews-the-only-victims-of-nazi-persecution

Starfire57

Maremia

When the SS began targeting 'illegals' in Germany in the 1930's, they were not at war. When Posters see and understand echoes from the past, they are entitled to discuss those trends.

Incorrect. That was not the same as people invading the US illegally. Jewish did not illegally migrate to Germany. They were encouraged to migrate early on.

But later on, they stripped of their rights as citizens, effectively becoming illegal. But ironically, the government imposed high emigration taxes, making leaving difficult.

But the horror of putting them into camps, enslaving them and then the gas chambers......to compare that to the US deporting illegal Mexicans is quite insulting to the memories of those people, I would think.

www.bing.com/search?q=were%20jewish%20actually%20migrate%20illegally%20to%201930s%20germany&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&lq=0&pq=were%20jewish%20actually%20migrate%20illegally%20to%201930s%20germany&sc=0-55&sk=&cvid=AF677861F25C427F9F639FA7E1CC09D4

It is insulting, as a Jew I can assure you of that.

I honestly can’t believe that some people on this thread are condoning the fact that this woman was shot in the head and that it was her own fault.

I think is difficult to see from the video how the victim could have cooperated and got out alive, one officer was shouting for her to move on very loudly several times whilst another asked her to get out of the car whilst another moved to the front of the car gun drawn. Am sure the driver panicked and didn’t know what to do in that moment.
Clear instructions should have been given and officers should have then backed away from the car in order for the driver to actually move on. The officers would have had the drivers reg so would know who the driver was and the address so if they wished to press charges they could have done so.

Maremia

When the SS began targeting 'illegals' in Germany in the 1930's, they were not at war. When Posters see and understand echoes from the past, they are entitled to discuss those trends.

Incorrect. That was not the same as people invading the US illegally. Jewish did not illegally migrate to Germany. They were encouraged to migrate early on.

But later on, they stripped of their rights as citizens, effectively becoming illegal. But ironically, the government imposed high emigration taxes, making leaving difficult.

But the horror of putting them into camps, enslaving them and then the gas chambers......to compare that to the US deporting illegal Mexicans is quite insulting to the memories of those people, I would think.

www.bing.com/search?q=were%20jewish%20actually%20migrate%20illegally%20to%201930s%20germany&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&lq=0&pq=were%20jewish%20actually%20migrate%20illegally%20to%201930s%20germany&sc=0-55&sk=&cvid=AF677861F25C427F9F639FA7E1CC09D4

Cossy

Whitewavemark2

Extract from an publication “The Nation”

ICE relies heavily on the private sector to help carry out its Gestapo-like crusade against immigrants and their allies. Without the logistical, financial, and political support of business, its capacity to terrorize our communities would crumble.

Over the past week, activists around the country successfully pushed Avelo Airlines to stop running deportation charter flights, and workers in Minneapolis pushed a local Hilton affiliate to stop renting rooms to ICE agents. But these wins are just a fraction of what could be achieved if the millions of people who are outraged by ICE’s thuggery organize to pressure all companies to stop working with ICE.

Good! Good for those standing up for what is right!

That’s what a few of us mean by protesting in other ways.

The US was indeed built on migrants for better or for worse, that was 200+ yrs sgo, now they have laws regulating migration just as we have, all countries regulate migration why do you expect the US to be different.

A rude post to anyone who disagrees with you Cossy
I haven’t read a single comment that says the poor woman’s death was ‘justified’ as you claim.
The more pragmatic among us know that you don’t taunt and disobey an order from armed officers in the US ( or anywhere else for that matter) as it could end badly for you.That doesn’t mean it’s justified, just that’s the way it is.

Whitewavemark2

Extract from an publication “The Nation”

ICE relies heavily on the private sector to help carry out its Gestapo-like crusade against immigrants and their allies. Without the logistical, financial, and political support of business, its capacity to terrorize our communities would crumble.

Over the past week, activists around the country successfully pushed Avelo Airlines to stop running deportation charter flights, and workers in Minneapolis pushed a local Hilton affiliate to stop renting rooms to ICE agents. But these wins are just a fraction of what could be achieved if the millions of people who are outraged by ICE’s thuggery organize to pressure all companies to stop working with ICE.

Good! Good for those standing up for what is right!

Some unpleasant victim blaming going on here too. I agree with you cossy

sorry should read “..,this death and many others was justified, and somehow right”

Anyone on here and in the “real world” who genuinely believes this death was justified, for whatever reason, has a heart of stone and mush for brains, in my very humble opinion.

Because of this I won’t be responding to said posters because there is absolutely no point, of course we are all entitled to our own views and beliefs, but anyone who truly believes this death, and many others, needs to take a good hard long look in the mirror.

This woman was a mother and wife and someone’s daughter, willing to stand up and protest about something she felt was very wrong.

I stand with you, Renee, RIP

If the driver had got out of her car when told to this situation would never have unfolded.
In obeying her wife who told her to ‘drive baby drive!’ Instead of obeying the ICE agents saying ‘get out of the car’ it was inevitable that something would happen sadly.

*their

* Starfire57

Oreo
StoneofDestiny

So very scary on here that there are people, privileged with an education and living in a democratic country, that trot out things like ‘just follow the law’ ‘just obey orders’.
We need brave people to challenge unjust practices and unjust leaders and who are prepared to intervene to support those on the wrong side of out of control brutality. Without them nothing will change.
Maybe the French Resistance should have ‘just obeyed the law’, maybe Edith Cavell should have, maybe the Tolpuddle Martyrs or Paul Stephenson or Mary Barbour? Without brave people intervening against bad leaders, bad laws and practices nothing would change and injustices and out of control rulers would continue destroying lives with impunity.

The irony - the USA is a country that was build by migrants - illegal migrants - ruled by a convicted felon whose mother is a migrant telling us all just how much of the world he intends to seize illegally and how great he is making his country!

You could be first in line to go and challenge things there then?
The fact is, the US is not in a war situation so any similarities with the last world war or anything else isn’t relevant.
The police and immigration are armed, are on a job which requires going after criminals and illegal immigrants and must be obeyed as any error on your own part in disobeying them could lead to your own injury or even death.So protest something in other ways as most people there do.

Exactly! A reasonable response....*

Good grief! I really do wonder about the sanity of some posters here!

Of course comparisons with the resistance are relevant, as are comparisons with any other organised protest.

As I stated before, and I’ll state again, we must NEVER EVER simply sit back and simply watch injustice without protesting, however we choose to do so, it’s a sad and tragic situation that some feel that this woman’s killing is somehow justified. But then again I often wonder when I read some, thank god the minority, comments on here, that there humanity has totally disappeared.

Starfire57

Cossy

“THIS!!! If people in the media stopped the hysteria over law enforcement, if folks would just cooperate, so much of this would be avoided!

A person always has the right to see a judge and give those arguments. And worse case, if you did what you did, broke the law, then pay the penalty. And next time, don't do it.”

Oh dear, bit difficult to do this if you’re dead

My point being, you wouldn't be dead if you did it.

Not true I am afraid. If you read the description of the shootings, by no means were ICE officers in fear for their life in most cases.

Look at the deaths in custody.

But as the evidence is clearly being knobbled it is difficult to defend any of the deaths quite frankly