Woman shot and killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota

Sorry Starfire, but without viewing relevant and reliable evidence, I will decline from taking your word on it.

Basgetti

Been trying to quote MayBee70 but it won’t work.

Of course the vaccine didn’t stop the spread. It was never claimed that it would. What it did do was save many millions of lives by significantly reducing the severity of the symptoms.

They just said they never claimed that, after they found out they were wrong the first time.

I personally watched President Joe Biden on TV say you will not get Covid if you get the vaccine. I saw the director of the CDC also claim this. Fauci did, and many journalists like Rachael Maddow and others.

I literally saw this for myself, on my television, in real time. But dont' take my word for it, look it all up, there are videos on youtube of these people saying you will not get Covid and you cannot spread Covid.

Later they changed it to well you might get it, but you won't end up in the hospital if you get vaccinated.

And so much for that.....two of my friends who were fully vaccinated (3 shots at the time) ended up in the hospital with Covid.

I'm sure they were not the only ones.

The narrative changed right in front of my face. But, people easily forget things sometimes. Especially when they want to believe what they hear.

StoneofDestiny

*Follow the law*
Do not hand pick the laws you want to abide by and disobey the ones you don't.
Do not think you are untouchable. Because, you are not

Maybe that needs directing to Trump.

Well, Trump isn't the one who just got shot trying to block ICE trucks, so Idk.

MayBee70

Starfire57

MayBee70

So Starfire is an anti vacc’er too. That figures….

I've had all my vaccines, so no not antivaxxer. I just didn't bother with the Covid vaccine....too new, no long term trials on effectiveness or side effects.

Didn't want to be a Guinea pig.

Well, turns out, it never stopped the spread.

Supposedly then, they decided it made symptoms better instead. But since there were so many mild or asymptomatic cases reported in the beginning anyway, before the vaccines, I figure, that claim is questionable to say the least.

They even changed the definition of a vaccine for it. So much money was made. Just have to wonder.

But, I do believe in most vaccines, the old tech ones that actually provide immunity, thus the name immunizations....

So how do you feel about the way your government is putting people off vaccinating against measles?

What are you talking about? I saw RFK saying the best way to avoid measles is the MMR vaccine. Maybe I"m not up to speed on that; mostly I hear talk about freedom of choice in vaccination rather than recommending no vaccines.

Been trying to quote MayBee70 but it won’t work.

Of course the vaccine didn’t stop the spread. It was never claimed that it would. What it did do was save many millions of lives by significantly reducing the severity of the symptoms.

They don’t!

How do the authorities know if they would be supportive of the UK or a middle eastern country on the event of war ? How do they know they have not come as spies or to undermine the UK ? How do they know they are not actual terrorists ? Just wondering.

Oreo

StoneofDestiny

Actually the real term for the many thousands arriving here in small boats is more correctly economic migrants as that’s what so many are, not asylum seekers

No, Oreo, that is not the correct term. You are entitled to seek asylum wherever you want.

It’s the correct term for the many thousands who come here and lie about who they are and why they’re here.
As for what a government should do, they should have been housed in ex military camps from the start and not allowed to wander about freely until they were either accepted as genuine asylum seekers or sent back to country of origin.
The government should have recruited and trained more civil servants to deal with cases as quickly as possible.
We wouldn’t be seen as such an attractive option if that had been done.

I thought Oreo was referring the the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants in the country, many of whom have been trafficked here by OCG to work under the radar illegally.

It is a real problem.

StoneofDestiny

*Actually the real term for the many thousands arriving here in small boats is more correctly economic migrants as that’s what so many are, not asylum seekers*

No, Oreo, that is not the correct term. You are entitled to seek asylum wherever you want.

It’s the correct term for the many thousands who come here and lie about who they are and why they’re here.
As for what a government should do, they should have been housed in ex military camps from the start and not allowed to wander about freely until they were either accepted as genuine asylum seekers or sent back to country of origin.
The government should have recruited and trained more civil servants to deal with cases as quickly as possible.
We wouldn’t be seen as such an attractive option if that had been done.

Trump is the monkey but it is the organ grinders I fear. The people behind him who pump him full of praise whilst bending his ear.

StoneofDestiny

*Follow the law*
Do not hand pick the laws you want to abide by and disobey the ones you don't.
Do not think you are untouchable. Because, you are not

Maybe that needs directing to Trump.

After all President Trump is a convicted felon.

I absolutely hope he gets punished to the fullest extent of the law someday. He has not been because he was elected President.
He can not say in an interview with NYT that he doesn’t pay attention to International law because he can do what he wants.
He admitted it.
He gets away with too much and he has not because valid value system aside from money. That’s apparent in all his speeches.
So Stone of Destiny it will catch up with him because he has no interest in following the law ?

Actually the real term for the many thousands arriving here in small boats is more correctly economic migrants as that’s what so many are, not asylum seekers

No, Oreo, that is not the correct term. You are entitled to seek asylum wherever you want.

Follow the law
Do not hand pick the laws you want to abide by and disobey the ones you don't.
Do not think you are untouchable. Because, you are not

Maybe that needs directing to Trump.

Oreo

Whoever is in charge of the country after the next election will have to do more to stop the boats than the Conservatives or Labour as it’s been pathetic so far.

So what do you think they should be doing?

Rosie51

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Rosie51

And just for Trump's education, the UK has postal voting and there has been no evidence of widespread fraud surrounding it. Obviously there will have been some misuse of postal voting but it has never been significant and certainly not influential on the outcome.

Reform want to removed postal voting for many people. From the 2024 election contract:

Commence Reform of the Postal Voting System

^Postal voting has allowed electoral fraud. We will stop postal voting except for the elderly, disabled or those who can’t leave their homes.^

Then we must hope that Reform is never in a position to try and implement this. Postal voting was first introduced, at least in part, to allow people who work away from home to cast their vote. Reform would remove that right? Perhaps they'd like to remove the right to have a proxy cast your vote too?
Total rubbish about electoral fraud, yes it exists but in such a minuscule way that does not have a smidgeon of effect on the outcome.

Rosie51
Good post.

The benefits of postal voting for many in the UK far outweigh the tiny possibility of fraudulent postal votes skewing the result.

Rosie51

Oreo

Yes I know why people prefer the postal voting but presumably whoever uses it now used to always go and vote in the past.
Anyway I doubt it will be changed now but just hope it won’t come to a mobile phone vote.

Oreo have my doubts about postal voting unless the voter really is housebound for any reason, then it’s acceptable.The system used to work very well when a voter walked into a centre, there could be zilch voter fraud that way.

My husband worked away from home, you think it acceptable that he would be denied a vote because he couldn't vote in person at some elections? In person voting is not above fraud, nobody checks your identity when you present at the voting station, they accept your word that you're who you say you are.
There have been a few accusations of in person voter fraud reported, but like postal fraud they're rare and do not affect the final result.

HM Forces and their spouses too are entitled to a postal vote.

My son and DIL use postal voting as they are required to work abroad with little notice.
I think that the rhetoric of " postal vote fraud" is unproven.

He is a dangerous man.
Very dangerous.

Lathyrus3

Martial law?

Yes, I do think it is on the cards, or at least something very similar.

I can quite see Trump taking the law into his own hands by claiming insurrection, if the protests grow.

Martial law?

Whitewavemark2

I won’t be a bit surprised to know that Trump has introduced Marshall Law.

Nothing Trump might do would surprise me. Infuriate and exasperate me. But no surprises.

I won’t be a bit surprised to know that Trump has introduced Marshall Law.

Rosie51

Oreo

Yes I know why people prefer the postal voting but presumably whoever uses it now used to always go and vote in the past.
Anyway I doubt it will be changed now but just hope it won’t come to a mobile phone vote.

Oreo have my doubts about postal voting unless the voter really is housebound for any reason, then it’s acceptable.The system used to work very well when a voter walked into a centre, there could be zilch voter fraud that way.

My husband worked away from home, you think it acceptable that he would be denied a vote because he couldn't vote in person at some elections? In person voting is not above fraud, nobody checks your identity when you present at the voting station, they accept your word that you're who you say you are.
There have been a few accusations of in person voter fraud reported, but like postal fraud they're rare and do not affect the final result.

Don’t worry as they are unlikely to stop a postal vote.
But you’re very wrong about having no checks at the ballot stations, even more than ever now that we have to produce our photo, passports or similar.

We have mail in voting here in Colorado since 2013. The only voter fraud has come from Republicans. It is a completely secure process that I can track my ballot every step of the way, via email, text or on my logged on voter account.

I have toured the ballot processing center twice during elections. I have seen the machine that processes the ballots and also seen the process they use to verify signatures are valid.

We have to prove we are citizens when we register to vote through our Department of Motor Vehicles where we have to show our birth certificate, proof of address and SSN.

All I am saying is that one shouldn't immediately write off mail in ballots. It can work, and does.

And yes, a Trump officials have stopped funding for 5 Democratic states. This stops funding for food and schools for children.

Oreo

Yes I know why people prefer the postal voting but presumably whoever uses it now used to always go and vote in the past.
Anyway I doubt it will be changed now but just hope it won’t come to a mobile phone vote.

Oreo have my doubts about postal voting unless the voter really is housebound for any reason, then it’s acceptable.The system used to work very well when a voter walked into a centre, there could be zilch voter fraud that way.

My husband worked away from home, you think it acceptable that he would be denied a vote because he couldn't vote in person at some elections? In person voting is not above fraud, nobody checks your identity when you present at the voting station, they accept your word that you're who you say you are.
There have been a few accusations of in person voter fraud reported, but like postal fraud they're rare and do not affect the final result.