Woman shot and killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota

Starfire57

Cooperate. Be calm. Stop believing the calculated fear mongering that leads people to do things they should not. Follow the law.

Do not hand pick the laws you want to abide by and disobey the ones you don't. Do not obstruct law enforcement.

Do not think you are untouchable. Because, you are not.

Historically, would you have applied this to people faced by the Brownshirts?

Ice Agents? What lessons do you think? Should they simply take the chance of being attacked and un-alived?

Training is important. But , how do you think they can do a job they know people want to hurt them over?

I don't know how you would approach going to work everyday knowing someone out there wants to hurt you, confront you physically and verbally, obstruct you from doing your job. but I'd say that might make you more anxious and prone to mistakes, at the very least.

I don't picture many people actually having the perfect response in the face of being run over. It would have been great if he could have, but survival takes over most times.

Again, I don't actually think she meant to try and run him over; I think she was more focused on the guy next to her door, but I could be wrong, of course. However, the fact that she swerved to the right could be either the gunshot stopped her or she saw him and started to turn at the same time he shot....I choose to believe there was no intention on her part and his was gut reaction.

Tragic mistakes. But, entirely preventable with cooperation.

Cooperate. Be calm. Stop believing the calculated fear mongering that leads people to do things they should not. Follow the law.

Do not hand pick the laws you want to abide by and disobey the ones you don't. Do not obstruct law enforcement.

Do not think you are untouchable. Because, you are not.

Starfire57

MayBee70

Starfire57

MayBee70

Starfire57

Allsorts

If that policeman was hurt, how could he walk away, no stumbling. To shoot someone at close range through the head is murder. What has America become?

Nobody said he was hurt. Idk, should he have to be run over to prove that she could have run him over? If someone is heading towards you at close range with a car, I would say that's the issue, not whether or not she succeeded.

It's a shame that people just don't get out of the car and cooperate. She may have been jailed for obstruction but be alive.

I am not saying the officer did the right thing. Nobody did if you ask me, her nor him.

Trump said he was badly hurt. If I was a woman in a car with men running at me with guns I wouldn’t get out of the car…my instinct would have been to stay in my car where I felt safe. And let’s not forget it was close to where George Floyd had been murdered by a policeman.

Nah. She realized she was going to get busted for obstruction, only letting cars by that were not full of ICE agents, and decided to escape. She was scared of jail, not guns.

And that justifies shooting her in the head?

Um. No. Did I say that ? But as they say, play__ games, win__ prizes.

This will become a blame game in the media and among citizens, but to me it's more of a really, really unnecessary tragedy that people need to learn from.

But some people never learn I suppose.

What lessons are you expecting people to learn (including ICE agents)?

The more I read, the more I see this as murder most foul.
So grateful I live in the UK despite its faults and difficulties.

MayBee70

Starfire57

MayBee70

Starfire57

Allsorts

If that policeman was hurt, how could he walk away, no stumbling. To shoot someone at close range through the head is murder. What has America become?

Nobody said he was hurt. Idk, should he have to be run over to prove that she could have run him over? If someone is heading towards you at close range with a car, I would say that's the issue, not whether or not she succeeded.

It's a shame that people just don't get out of the car and cooperate. She may have been jailed for obstruction but be alive.

I am not saying the officer did the right thing. Nobody did if you ask me, her nor him.

Trump said he was badly hurt. If I was a woman in a car with men running at me with guns I wouldn’t get out of the car…my instinct would have been to stay in my car where I felt safe. And let’s not forget it was close to where George Floyd had been murdered by a policeman.

Nah. She realized she was going to get busted for obstruction, only letting cars by that were not full of ICE agents, and decided to escape. She was scared of jail, not guns.

And that justifies shooting her in the head?

Um. No. Did I say that ? But as they say, play__ games, win__ prizes.

This will become a blame game in the media and among citizens, but to me it's more of a really, really unnecessary tragedy that people need to learn from.

But some people never learn I suppose.

Starfire57

MayBee70

Starfire57

Allsorts

If that policeman was hurt, how could he walk away, no stumbling. To shoot someone at close range through the head is murder. What has America become?

Nobody said he was hurt. Idk, should he have to be run over to prove that she could have run him over? If someone is heading towards you at close range with a car, I would say that's the issue, not whether or not she succeeded.

It's a shame that people just don't get out of the car and cooperate. She may have been jailed for obstruction but be alive.

I am not saying the officer did the right thing. Nobody did if you ask me, her nor him.

Trump said he was badly hurt. If I was a woman in a car with men running at me with guns I wouldn’t get out of the car…my instinct would have been to stay in my car where I felt safe. And let’s not forget it was close to where George Floyd had been murdered by a policeman.

Nah. She realized she was going to get busted for obstruction, only letting cars by that were not full of ICE agents, and decided to escape. She was scared of jail, not guns.

And that justifies shooting her in the head?

MG55

Starfire57 - you are obviously a MAGA supporter so no point us wasting time discussing this murder with you 😌

I'm not sure how I am, since I didn't vote for him but ok, if you say so.

I do support his efforts in cracking down on illegal immigration, though. So there's that.

I also believe in cooperating with police; I also do not subscribe to the lunacy of conspiracy theories out there either; we have not lost an ounce of our democracy here and will never because our system is set in such a way that it simply cannot. The checks and balances work, even if a bit slow at times.

Our constitution is pretty clear too; however, so many things the forefathers did not anticipate, so it has some flaws, but that is what amendments are for.

Problem is, in a democracy, majority rules. The minority of a particular election will always scream democracy is threatened, as a way to win the next election.

Starfire57 - you are obviously a MAGA supporter so no point us wasting time discussing this murder with you 😌

MayBee70

Starfire57

Allsorts

If that policeman was hurt, how could he walk away, no stumbling. To shoot someone at close range through the head is murder. What has America become?

Nobody said he was hurt. Idk, should he have to be run over to prove that she could have run him over? If someone is heading towards you at close range with a car, I would say that's the issue, not whether or not she succeeded.

It's a shame that people just don't get out of the car and cooperate. She may have been jailed for obstruction but be alive.

I am not saying the officer did the right thing. Nobody did if you ask me, her nor him.

Trump said he was badly hurt. If I was a woman in a car with men running at me with guns I wouldn’t get out of the car…my instinct would have been to stay in my car where I felt safe. And let’s not forget it was close to where George Floyd had been murdered by a policeman.

Nah. She realized she was going to get busted for obstruction, only letting cars by that were not full of ICE agents, and decided to escape. She was scared of jail, not guns.

I’m afraid that your post addressed to me isn’t worth responding to, Starfire57. You appear to see a rational person, I see a maniac. Our minds will never meet.

The whole world saw a MAGA gun toting wanna be policeman shoot and kill a young mother .,, just because he could. Absolutely sickening 😔

Fallingstar

Oreo

Is there a reason apart from not wanting illegal immigrants?
We don’t want them here either.

But we don’t have armed and trigger happy border forces.
There is a world of difference.
Trump has sent in this bunch of obviously badly trained gun toting cowboys because this is how he approaches any problem, with brute force, in order to show what a strong armed dictator he is.

But I am wondering...has your government done their job in keeping illegal immigration at bay? Because much of what is happening now in the US is because our previous administrations had not done their job.

And.......one huge flaw in our constitution.

We do have a problem with what we call anchor babies. Fly to the US 9 months pregnant and drop out the kid in US soil and it's automatically a citizen.

This creates HUGE problems because people have been caught doing this on purpose.

I believe being born in the UK does not give automatic citizenship??

If our government would bother to adopt this law, many of our illegal issues which does end up separating families would be non existent. Although, the separation is usually a choice, whether the deported parent wants to take the child back with them or leave with a legal relative here.

Still, it has created a back door that needs to be shut.

Oreo

Starfire57

Ran across a still picture on the internet for anyone who wonders about the shooting. Looks like at the time of the fatal shot (first one) tires were pointed ahead towards the officer. They turned after.

Could he have just gotten out of the way. She made contact in other video angles, but didn't run him over. It's easy to say yes he could, from our comfortable chairs at home. Maybe. Maybe not.

Although we will never really know, I do not think she intended to run him over nor he intended to murder her.

I think it was a fearful situation for all, something that should not have escalated like it did.

It's a tragedy that could have been avoided, had she not been obstructing or if she had just got out of the car...being arrested for obstructing would have been better than being shot in the head, I think everyone can agree on that.

I think that’s a very sensible analysis of the situation.

Thank you.

MaizieD

@Starefire

From your post at 08.11 in connection with the ICE agent who shot Renee Good

Nobody said he was hurt.

Well, I'm afraid that someone did say he was hurt. Your President on Truth (what a misnomer) Social

Report here from Hindustan Times. Just a report I picked at random from many world wide saying the same thing.

President Donald Trump has shared a statement on Truth Social after an ICE agent shot a 37-year-old woman dead in Minneapolis. Homeland Security officials said that 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good was shot in self-defense after she struck the agent with her vehicle. Video appeared to show Good’s Honda Pilot making contact with an ICE agent as he opened fire.

Minneapolis shooting: Trump claims Renee Nicole Good ‘viciously ran over’ ICE agent

Trump said Good “viciously ran over the ICE Officer,” adding that he is now recovering in a hospital. “I have just viewed the clip of the event which took place in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It is a horrible thing to watch. The woman screaming was, obviously, a professional agitator, and the woman driving the car was very disorderly, obstructing and resisting, who then violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE Officer, who seems to have shot her in self defense. Based on the attached clip, it is hard to believe he is alive, but is now recovering in the hospital,” the US President wrote.

www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/minneapolis-shooting-trump-says-renee-nicole-good-viciously-ran-over-ice-agent-blames-radical-left-for-such-incide-101767832821948.html

I could find a screenshot of his post if you like. There are plenty available.

Now you know I was talking about my post and in the context of this board; I do not care what Trump said in this discussion nor does it apply here.

Trump tends to over exaggerate, yes, and he tends to talk like a normal person, not like the polished slick politicians who say the standard things known to be very elusively neutral and soothing.

That is unfortunate for him, because he does say some nonsensical things, inaccurate things, etc. He doesn't put on the typical politician filter.

After decades of listening to politician speeches here in the US, local politicians, national politicians, etc. I cannot help but pick up on some common phrases and themes. It's very rehearsed, clearly.

I think Trump tries too hard, actually, to say things in situations where sometimes no comment, or just basic response is only necessary.

I think some of this stems from the onslaught of vicious attacks since his first term.

He is out to attack the left in every situation now, like they did him, but really, I think personally, he does need to cut that out.

Winning the second term was enough of a vindication if you ask me, no need to continue pointing out the left. But, he doesn't quit, and sometimes that makes him say foolish things.

Maremia

When an ICE agent fires three shots into someone's face, just what are they intending?

You know what I mean. I don't think he set out to murder her preemptively.

Trump and Norm said yesterday (it all runs together) that ICE was going to start going door to door., house to house.

Listening to comments , apparently the idea is to flood areas with ICE agents who have been told by Trump “get rough”

imaround

I am finally looking at the video. The CNN video is reportedly from the cell phone that the agent had in his hand filming the interaction and he shot the driver.

If this is true, why do as he filming? Did he not have a body camera? Why not? (I already know the answer to the last 2)

*In the US, a large portion (but not all) of police officers wear body cameras. The footage is public knowledge and can be requested by anyone through a Freedom of Information Act request. This practice was adopted not only to protect the people, but also the officers themselves from excessive force claims. These videos have been used successfully by defense on both sides in the US.

I am led to believe ICE officers don't wear body cams because they don't need to- they will never need to present them as evidence- they are above the law.
That prompts the question why was he using his cell phone whilst doing his job? It was unprofessional and unnecessary and used to wind up the unfortunate victim of this cowardly crime.

On the footage I saw there was a large dog in the back seat of the car- why was this dog never mentioned before? The dog seems to disappear. this does make you wonder to what extent the footage has been manipulated.

The whole thing is horrible.

*Was he filming.....

I am finally looking at the video. The CNN video is reportedly from the cell phone that the agent had in his hand filming the interaction and he shot the driver.

If this is true, why do as he filming? Did he not have a body camera? Why not? (I already know the answer to the last 2)

*In the US, a large portion (but not all) of police officers wear body cameras. The footage is public knowledge and can be requested by anyone through a Freedom of Information Act request. This practice was adopted not only to protect the people, but also the officers themselves from excessive force claims. These videos have been used successfully by defense on both sides in the US.

Cossy

Btw, I see this as as everyone’s fight!

I agree totally.
When bad things are done to innocent people by those in a position of power it is incumbent upon good people to stand up and join the fight.

MayBee70

It isn’t like someone deliberately driving a car into a crowd which no one can escape from. And if it’s correct that the officer had been badly injured by being driven into previously then he surely overreacted with tragic consequences.

You can see him in other clips coolly, calmly walking away at a fast clip.He was not badly injured ( if at all,) .

Having watched a number of videos of the murder, it was embarrassingly clear that the ICE video had been manipulated.

syracute

You post was powerful and heartfelt.

We must never side with such evil. We saw it during both the Vietnam protests and the civil rights protests.

Never ever believe that Trump has anyone’s best interest at heart. He is an authoritarian narcissist whose only interest is power and the wealth it brings.