Yesterday there was a very tragic shooting of a woman leaving the scene of an Immigration raid/incident . The video clips are very disturbing as she is shot and killed by an officer after she was given conflicting information by two officers . One who told her to leave and another who told her to get out of the car.
She was killed by a third officer who was to the side of the car . I can only advise you not to watch the clip if you feel it might be disturbing . I was able to read a good account of it in the NYT and it definitely looks and reads like she was murdered.
She was a white, US citizen not a target of the raid.
I truly feel like the USA is imploding from the inside out and that Trump is creating fires of danger everywhere.
BlueBelle
I believe overnight two more people are in hospital shot by trumps men have nt read any details just heard it briefly on a news flash
Yes, imaround posted about this during the night. It was apparently in Portland.
Isn't that the city that Trump declared to be ungovernable last year and sent the National Guard in? And then have to withdraw them after months of inaction because the Supreme Court ruled that he didn't have the power to do this?
I wasn't meaning to be rude to David. I should perhaps have said 'boasting of British exceptionalism' instead of 'xenophobic' 🤔'
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I believe overnight two more people are in hospital shot by trumps men have nt read any details just heard it briefly on a news flash
In many countries that have armed police, if you disobey an order the officer will draw his gun, that’s when injury or death happens.
We are lucky in the UK arguing with the police is an everyday occurrence, overseas it’s not a good idea.
@Starefire
From your post at 08.11 in connection with the ICE agent who shot Renee Good
Nobody said he was hurt.
Well, I'm afraid that someone did say he was hurt. Your President on Truth (what a misnomer) Social
Report here from Hindustan Times. Just a report I picked at random from many world wide saying the same thing.
President Donald Trump has shared a statement on Truth Social after an ICE agent shot a 37-year-old woman dead in Minneapolis. Homeland Security officials said that 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good was shot in self-defense after she struck the agent with her vehicle. Video appeared to show Good’s Honda Pilot making contact with an ICE agent as he opened fire.
Minneapolis shooting: Trump claims Renee Nicole Good ‘viciously ran over’ ICE agent
Trump said Good “viciously ran over the ICE Officer,” adding that he is now recovering in a hospital. “I have just viewed the clip of the event which took place in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It is a horrible thing to watch. The woman screaming was, obviously, a professional agitator, and the woman driving the car was very disorderly, obstructing and resisting, who then violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE Officer, who seems to have shot her in self defense. Based on the attached clip, it is hard to believe he is alive, but is now recovering in the hospital,” the US President wrote.
www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/minneapolis-shooting-trump-says-renee-nicole-good-viciously-ran-over-ice-agent-blames-radical-left-for-such-incide-101767832821948.html
I could find a screenshot of his post if you like. There are plenty available.
Trump said that he’d been so badly hurt that he’d been taken to hospital.
Vance said that the young woman was a hard left activist persuaded by left wing ideology without any evidence what so ever.
What we do know however is that the murderous thug walked away, and that the young mother had just dropped her 6 year old at school and lived locally.
Allsorts
If that policeman was hurt, how could he walk away, no stumbling. To shoot someone at close range through the head is murder. What has America become?
He was not hurt and reputable news organizations show and highlight that the officer in question was in no way in front of this car as she turned. Channel 4 last night highlighted and showed that to be the case last night with 3 photos very clearly.
Sadly, Trumpspeak, Noemspeak out and out lied yesterday and Vance was even more vile with his description of the event. Some people take those lies as truth. Now there is a second shooting by federal agents in Portland. Trump and his minions are now using his thugs to cause the disruption that is clearly called for in Project 2025.
USA has now a President who says he doesnt have to pay attention to International because he has “ his own law “
( interview yesterday with NYT). Clearly, he thinks he is above the law with his seeming success with Venezuela. Trump is clearly a danger for the world with this mindset.
We must all be viligant to this thug who is masking as a good guy who won’t do bad things to people ( his words yesterday ) .
Clearly, by using his team yesterday in a united front to villianize this innocent victim Renee Good . We all know what we saw with the videos yet Starfire is trying to distract with talk of the Mexican Mafia. Trump has his own Mafia now and he is starting at home with his ICE thugs and trying to expand his thuggery to the world.
Starfire57
Allsorts
If that policeman was hurt, how could he walk away, no stumbling. To shoot someone at close range through the head is murder. What has America become?
Nobody said he was hurt. Idk, should he have to be run over to prove that she could have run him over? If someone is heading towards you at close range with a car, I would say that's the issue, not whether or not she succeeded.
It's a shame that people just don't get out of the car and cooperate. She may have been jailed for obstruction but be alive.
I am not saying the officer did the right thing. Nobody did if you ask me, her nor him.
Trump said he was badly hurt. If I was a woman in a car with men running at me with guns I wouldn’t get out of the car…my instinct would have been to stay in my car where I felt safe. And let’s not forget it was close to where George Floyd had been murdered by a policeman.
Starfire57
Whitewavemark2
starfire57 what you appear not to realise is that in the zUK our security forces like the police, customs etc do not carry guns as a matter of course.
Guns except for specific uses are banned in this country.
What happened to that young woman would never happen here, and for us to witness this ability for a border force employee to carry out such a murderous act is utterly shocking to a British citizen.
But even in Europe, where customs officers do carry weapons, they are used with utter restraint - in fact I doubt that anyone could point to an instant when guns were used on immigrants let alone a protester.
What is happening in your country is reminiscent of what happened in Germany during the 1930s when initially the brown shirts snd later the SS were let loose on the German public where they acted just like ICE and harassed, arrested, and killed with impunity, not just Jews, but protestors, gypsies, people of colour etc.
It was a fascist authoritarian state.
Do not think that it could not happen in your country, or indeed is not happening.I don't see the connection. Hitler was mental, hated Jewish people, wanted to control the world, make Germany the master race and country.
The US population has been demanding their own safety from foreign invaders, many who use the border to get here, for quite awhile now.
Self defense vs. wanting to wipe out an entire race/religion is the difference I see.
It's not fascism. The majority of voters in the US voted for this. That's the difference too.
Well, from the European perspective, Trump certainly fills a number of the criteria.
The Brownshirts (SA) and SS actively targeted various groups, including Jewish people, Sinti and Roma, Black Germans, and other perceived "outsiders" or "racial enemies," using intimidation, violence, exclusion, and often harassing immigrants and minorities under the guise of national renewal (make America great again), the ideology of racial purity (white supremacy) underlay this.
Recognise it?
With regard to Trump, and the view from Europe
He has expansionist ambitions.
He threatens military might if he can’t get his way.
He ignores the rule of law
He is authoritarian, and bypasses Congress.
He is trashing the post war agreement which kept the world stable for so many years,
He is unreliable and no longer seen as a dependable ally.
When an ICE agent fires three shots into someone's face, just what are they intending?
Chocolatelovinggran
I think that the calibre of those who wish to join ICE, and the absolute lack of training given is at the root of the problem.
I don't have data, but would imagine that police officers in the USA are selected and vetted carefully before appointment, and undergo a period of training, after which they are paired with an experienced officer to continue learning.
This is the way it works in Britain, and, even then, some shocking events show that rogue officers still exist. At least we limit the carrying of firearms to certain teams.
It seems ( and I am happy to be enlightened if Iam incorrect) that volunteers for ICE are poorly vetted and inadequately trained or monitored, yet are released onto the streets with weapons: what could possibly go wrong?
This I agree with. Better training.
Less demonizing would also help; the police here are demonized like you would not believe. They are under a lot of pressure. They still are being killed in the line of duty.
Having body cams now has helped a lot of the unwarranted accusations of officers not upholding their lawful duties.], which may help them have less pressure, hopefully.
Many, many accusations of the actions of police have been vindicated by body cams here.
Maybe ICE needs bodycams too. Idk, that may have been helpful in this tragic case.
Again, I do not understand the resistance of people just to simply cooperate. That woman did not have to die.
Whitewavemark2
starfire57 what you appear not to realise is that in the zUK our security forces like the police, customs etc do not carry guns as a matter of course.
Guns except for specific uses are banned in this country.
What happened to that young woman would never happen here, and for us to witness this ability for a border force employee to carry out such a murderous act is utterly shocking to a British citizen.
But even in Europe, where customs officers do carry weapons, they are used with utter restraint - in fact I doubt that anyone could point to an instant when guns were used on immigrants let alone a protester.
What is happening in your country is reminiscent of what happened in Germany during the 1930s when initially the brown shirts snd later the SS were let loose on the German public where they acted just like ICE and harassed, arrested, and killed with impunity, not just Jews, but protestors, gypsies, people of colour etc.
It was a fascist authoritarian state.
Do not think that it could not happen in your country, or indeed is not happening.
I don't see the connection. Hitler was mental, hated Jewish people, wanted to control the world, make Germany the master race and country.
The US population has been demanding their own safety from foreign invaders, many who use the border to get here, for quite awhile now.
Self defense vs. wanting to wipe out an entire race/religion is the difference I see.
It's not fascism. The majority of voters in the US voted for this. That's the difference too.
Allsorts
If that policeman was hurt, how could he walk away, no stumbling. To shoot someone at close range through the head is murder. What has America become?
Nobody said he was hurt. Idk, should he have to be run over to prove that she could have run him over? If someone is heading towards you at close range with a car, I would say that's the issue, not whether or not she succeeded.
It's a shame that people just don't get out of the car and cooperate. She may have been jailed for obstruction but be alive.
I am not saying the officer did the right thing. Nobody did if you ask me, her nor him.
imaround
I understand the difference quite well. I also understand the difference between an administrative warrant and a judicial warrant.
And here is ICE agents in Minneapolis detaining the very scary, checks notes, Target worker.
www.kare11.com/article/news/local/ice-in-minnesota/federal-agents-richfield-target/89-074f28c7-c04f-4392-9165-08ca304b0f39
If you do, then you know, detaining a suspect is not against the law.
The link shows an article which does not explain why. And I suppose criminals are allowed to work at Target, so I don't see the innocence in working there as a given.
If that policeman was hurt, how could he walk away, no stumbling. To shoot someone at close range through the head is murder. What has America become?
This has the video of the Target employee being taken by ICE while at work.
www.reddit.com/r/law/s/sRSumTUNyN
I think that the calibre of those who wish to join ICE, and the absolute lack of training given is at the root of the problem.
I don't have data, but would imagine that police officers in the USA are selected and vetted carefully before appointment, and undergo a period of training, after which they are paired with an experienced officer to continue learning.
This is the way it works in Britain, and, even then, some shocking events show that rogue officers still exist. At least we limit the carrying of firearms to certain teams.
It seems ( and I am happy to be enlightened if Iam incorrect) that volunteers for ICE are poorly vetted and inadequately trained or monitored, yet are released onto the streets with weapons: what could possibly go wrong?
Starfire57
Ran across a still picture on the internet for anyone who wonders about the shooting. Looks like at the time of the fatal shot (first one) tires were pointed ahead towards the officer. They turned after.
Could he have just gotten out of the way. She made contact in other video angles, but didn't run him over. It's easy to say yes he could, from our comfortable chairs at home. Maybe. Maybe not.
Although we will never really know, I do not think she intended to run him over nor he intended to murder her.
I think it was a fearful situation for all, something that should not have escalated like it did.
It's a tragedy that could have been avoided, had she not been obstructing or if she had just got out of the car...being arrested for obstructing would have been better than being shot in the head, I think everyone can agree on that.
One hopes the US can achieve an open and proper formal investigation. From the point of view of the British (which is where this forum is based) any miscarriage of justice would cause great concern to many of us.
starfire57 what you appear not to realise is that in the zUK our security forces like the police, customs etc do not carry guns as a matter of course.
Guns except for specific uses are banned in this country.
What happened to that young woman would never happen here, and for us to witness this ability for a border force employee to carry out such a murderous act is utterly shocking to a British citizen.
But even in Europe, where customs officers do carry weapons, they are used with utter restraint - in fact I doubt that anyone could point to an instant when guns were used on immigrants let alone a protester.
What is happening in your country is reminiscent of what happened in Germany during the 1930s when initially the brown shirts snd later the SS were let loose on the German public where they acted just like ICE and harassed, arrested, and killed with impunity, not just Jews, but protestors, gypsies, people of colour etc.
It was a fascist authoritarian state.
Do not think that it could not happen in your country, or indeed is not happening.
I understand the difference quite well. I also understand the difference between an administrative warrant and a judicial warrant.
And here is ICE agents in Minneapolis detaining the very scary, checks notes, Target worker.
www.kare11.com/article/news/local/ice-in-minnesota/federal-agents-richfield-target/89-074f28c7-c04f-4392-9165-08ca304b0f39
Ran across a still picture on the internet for anyone who wonders about the shooting. Looks like at the time of the fatal shot (first one) tires were pointed ahead towards the officer. They turned after.
Could he have just gotten out of the way. She made contact in other video angles, but didn't run him over. It's easy to say yes he could, from our comfortable chairs at home. Maybe. Maybe not.
Although we will never really know, I do not think she intended to run him over nor he intended to murder her.
I think it was a fearful situation for all, something that should not have escalated like it did.
It's a tragedy that could have been avoided, had she not been obstructing or if she had just got out of the car...being arrested for obstructing would have been better than being shot in the head, I think everyone can agree on that.
Thing is this, though, if states (especially sanctuary states) are not doing the job, and we can't have ICE either, then what is the answer to this issue?
Like I said, there was a very solid presence of the Mexican Mafia in a city close to me in California for many years and some got caught by local law enforcement, but not after a long time. One top notorious leader was actually caught once and scared the s...out of everyone that he was actually here.
Should the western states just wait around, with all the cut backs and defunding of the police, for local law enforcement to find all these dangerous guys or maybe if we actually stopped all this at the border, maybe it wouldn't even be an issue?
Stricter borders policy, no letting people just get away with coming here illegally, is a place to start. It's called the sovereignty of a nation. Pretty normal stuff for a civilized country.
Past administrations allowed this to go on too long and now we have a big problem because despite the efforts, yes, some people will be caught in the middle at times.
Problem I see here is that there are a lot of entitled people these days. They feel they cannot be touched, spoken to or approached in any way by the law or even anyone, because of their rights, gender, color, etc.
The very act of an officer coming up and asking for ID gets some people pi'ed off. It's as though they are not allowed to do their job anymore, as to not offend someone.
So now the gloves are off. I'm not saying it doesn't suck, it's a shame people have to worry, but at least some action is being taken now.
imaround
I just looked up Visa Verge as I had never heard about it before. It looks to be a for profit group that helps immigrants come to the United States. Of course they are going to regurgitate what DHS says.
There is legal proof, in courts, that Citizens have been detained despite having valid proof of citizenship on their person at the time of arrest.
Again....do you understand the difference between being detained and being arrested? Many of these agents have warrants, but, look up something called probable cause while you are at it. Nothing is being done "illegally " by ICE, as you put it.
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