Woman shot and killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota

So many informative posts on here just now. Thanks to the Posters who have taken time to do this.

What is the option? wwm2

Interesting to read that the authoritarianism being dished out by Trump is being questioned by the US media.

I hope that people are beginning to work out whether this is what they really want.

MayBee70

Starfire57

Syracute

I find that Starfire ( whether intentional or not ) tries to dominate the conversation with very long comments with a lot of spacing in between that creates a very dominant effect.

That's an interesting take. However, I do a lot of spacing because I always hear people say how hard and annoying it is to read long azz paragraphs. Once I was even told to make more spacing from a friend. So now, that's what I do.

But, way to assume and judge there, eh?

So I assume you educate people on other forums, too?

I usually don't correspond to a friend (the one that told me my paragraphs are too long) via forums, like most people. God, do I have to spell out everything?

And Elegran, thank you for your post
It confirms my stated suspicions about the calibre and training of the recent ICE recruits. I am astonished to read that, within six weeks of recruitment, agents are on the streets with guns. I said, in my previous post, tongue in cheek "What could possibly go wrong?"

Starfire, it is legal, in Britain, to retain a subject in custody for a very limited time. If, within two days, insufficient evidence is found to charge them, they must be released.
May I ask wahat the permitted detention time is in the United States.

Somalia is no longer an unsafe country and refugees are to be returned from the USA. Any migrant/refugee committing benefit fraud is to be deported. America First.
I don’t know whether Somalia is safe or unsafe but right now, the USA doesn’t seem safe either!

NYT today

“Good morning, world! One of the differences between a free society and an authoritarian state is the relationship between security forces and citizens. In a democracy, police officers are assigned to protect the rights of civilians. When security forces are deployed against citizens, it’s often viewed as a sign of creeping authoritarianism.

Last week an American federal immigration agent shot Renee Good, a U.S. citizen, three times in the face in Minneapolis. Last night, a federal agent shot and injured a man in the same city. President Trump has sent ICE agents into cities across America, often to the dismay of local residents. The president of the Minneapolis City Council said the agents, with their assault rifles and combat gear, “feel like an occupying force.””

Imagine say a city in the U.K. being occupied by a paramilitary force because the government has decided to arrest every “immigrant” with the citizens being frightened to go into the streets snd challenging the para-military behaviour for fear of being shot.

Trump has talking about “filthy Somalis” who are in the USA as a result of the “perpetual war” being perpetrated over 60 years in Somalia by the USA. We assume that the Somalis have applied for snd been granted refugee status by the USA?

What is dirty about Somalis? Does anyone know?

Starfire57

Syracute

I find that Starfire ( whether intentional or not ) tries to dominate the conversation with very long comments with a lot of spacing in between that creates a very dominant effect.

That's an interesting take. However, I do a lot of spacing because I always hear people say how hard and annoying it is to read long azz paragraphs. Once I was even told to make more spacing from a friend. So now, that's what I do.

But, way to assume and judge there, eh?

So I assume you educate people on other forums, too?

Syracute

I find that Starfire ( whether intentional or not ) tries to dominate the conversation with very long comments with a lot of spacing in between that creates a very dominant effect.

That's an interesting take. However, I do a lot of spacing because I always hear people say how hard and annoying it is to read long azz paragraphs. Once I was even told to make more spacing from a friend. So now, that's what I do.

But, way to assume and judge there, eh?

Cossy

Btw, “media hysteria” does work both ways.

Since the death of Renee Good much has been printed about her in YSA media, social and news.

Her family has had to issue a statement denying that this woman had any criminal history and that her wife is not a political agitator.

Her children will be aware of all this, as well as the nasty homophobic remarks.

Whatever she chose to do or not do, in her car, or why, there is no excuse for shooting this woman dead.

Anyone who feels “she deserved” this for not immediately get out of her car need to be cleaner than clean and never have made any mistakes in their own lives.

Would I have got out of my car immediately ? I’m not so sure what I would have done, especially when there was already chaos and many many ICE officers crowding the streets. They are not law enforcement, they are specifically employed to seek out illegal immigrants, Renee Good was not an illegal immigrant.

Sadly, this isn’t an isolated event.

Yet I never said I bought into the other sides hysteria either now, did I? I've said I doubt she was trying to run him over.

So I agree, both sides do it.

Both sides need to calm the f down and look at it more logically.

Us people in the middle see it.

I am a registered democrat; have been for decades. I voted for Obama twice, and then Hilary. I'm liberal but with a common sense approach to it and could see the other side's points, at times, but not enough for me to vote for them.

But Hilary said something. Deplorables. That didn't feel right to me.

Little did I know, that was just the beginning.

Seeing the imploding of the democrats after the election woke me up. I was disappointed she lost, but willing to see if he had something different to offer.

Imagine my surprise the next day when the world went berserk.

The more it went on, the less democrat I felt. I could not justify the hate. Watching people attacked for wearing red hats, watching conservative speakers banned from college campuses, watching the looting, fighting, burning down businesses after the start of so called peaceful protest, on and on, I started to distance myself from that party.

Now, I'm in the middle with a strong lean to the right. I am still registered democrat but thinking I'm going to take the plunge and become independent. Because there are some basic democrat ideals I believe in, one being labor, another being a universal health care....the latter will never happen with either party, though, so it's all hot air.

The corporations that took over our healthcare will never allow their empire to fall. That one's a done deal.

So I only relate to dems who favor labor. Any Republican who decides to do that, I vote for.

Oglala Sioux Tribe says 3 of the 4 members arrested in Minneapolis remain in ICE custody.
www.fox9.com/news/oglala-sioux-tribe-ice-arrests

The Tribe has issued a memorandum to federal agencies, highlighting that tribal members are U.S. citizens by statute and fall outside immigration jurisdiction. And therefore, the detention of its members is unlawful and violates treaties.

"This is not a misunderstanding or an enforcement discretion issue," President Star Comes Out stated. "This is a treaty violation. Treaties are not optional. Sovereignty is not conditional. Our citizens are not negotiable."

The Oglala Sioux Tribe is demanding immediate confirmation of who is being detained and where, the release of all enrolled tribal citizens held by ICE, written assurances that the detentions will stop, and direct government-to-government consultation with federal officials

"We Found More Than 40 Cases of Immigration Agents Using Banned Chokeholds and Other Moves That Can Cut Off Breathing"
www.propublica.org/article/videos-ice-dhs-immigration-agents-using-chokeholds-citizens

Beeb

*Syracute Just wanted to pop in to say thank you for starting this thread.

Seconded. Also must apologise because I’ve been getting Syracutes name mixed up with Starfire ( wasn’t concentrating and both names were new to me). Really sorry.

*Syracute Just wanted to pop in to say thank you for starting this thread.

Syracute

www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118180/documents/HMKP-119-JU00-20250430-SD003.pdf

This shows a list of incidents where US citizens were illegally arrested or detained by ICE

You do know that it is not illegal to detain someone who is a suspect, right? Regular police do this all the time.

Those stories are stories. Some may be true or some not, as it seems also some looked like simple mix ups, so they prove nothing other than it's a process which is not perfect.

Nobody is actually being arrested and deported who is an actual US citizen.....

Other than, maybe a 3 year old kid? So people think a 3 year old should be left behind, separated from their parent, put into the social system of foster care? Grow up without their family?

Give me a break.

Casdon

You didn’t read the article Oreo, judging by that response. If you want to believe that they are lying to the people, that’s up to you. I think they are dealing with a situation they didn’t predict, and not only in Iran.

Lying is maybe too strong, just telling people one thing and then doing something different if that’s the best option for them.
I think the US will be prepared for an Iranian uprising as it’s what it’s been hoping for.

American Indians held still after a week.
Detained by ICE
www.cnn.com/2026/01/14/us/oglala-sioux-tribe-minneapolis-immigration-enforcement

You didn’t read the article Oreo, judging by that response. If you want to believe that they are lying to the people, that’s up to you. I think they are dealing with a situation they didn’t predict, and not only in Iran.

I think you would only tell an enemy country what you may do as an ultimatum to deter them.
Otherwise you plan covertly.

Giving out certain things to throw people off the scent is what all governments do until they do something, how stupid would it be to actually tell an enemy what will happen.

Oreo

Casdon

There has been plenty of reporting since it started, so I do think we do have a good idea of where they are with this Oreo, and how unanticipated a position they find themselves in now - it is a case of flying by the seat of his pants, again, for Trump.
edition.cnn.com/2026/01/14/politics/trump-iran-action-retaliation

Sorry but you or I have any idea what the US military plan to do in Iran and quite rightly it’s not something they want broadcast after all until they do it.

Are you saying that what has been reported in the US press based on what they have been told by government and military leaders is inaccurate?

Another article from Anne Mitchell (it would have been just as long if you were reading it on the FB page) :-

"ICE AGENTS SPEAK ABOUT THE SHOOTING IN MINNEAPOLIS
(Source: Time Magazine online - link to full story below)

"In the aftermath of the fatal shooting of Renee Good in Minneapolis last week, Trump Administration officials jumped into a whole-hearted defense of the ICE agent responsible.
The Department of Homeland Security maintained that Agent Jonathan Ross “dutifully acted in self-defense,” and promised to send hundreds more agents into the city despite widespread protests against the agency’s operations.

But behind the scenes, current and former ICE agents have expressed concerns about the agent’s conduct, about the agency’s operations in Minneapolis, and about a broader push by the Trump administration to aggressively recruit more agents.

“I’m embarrassed,” one former ICE agent with more than 25 years of experience told TIME. “The majority of my colleagues feel the same way. It’s an insult to us, because we did it the right way to see what they’re doing now.”

'Problematic'
When asked about the deadly shooting that sparked mass protests in Minneapolis and across the country, both the current and the former ICE agent expressed their reservations about Agent Ross opening fire three times.

“If you fear for your life and you're in imminent danger, policy says you could fire at that vehicle if there's no other recourse,” said a current ICE agent with more than 20 years of experience in the agency."
“If someone is able to make the argument that she was trying to hit him, he feared for his life, and all he could do was shoot…then sure, he can justify it that way. �But I think when you look at it a little bit more, it's … very problematic for him,” the agent said.

The current and former agents spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak on the record on behalf of the agency.

The DHS told TIME that Good had “weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run over our law enforcement officers in an attempt to kill them—an act of domestic terrorism.”

But videos of the incident contradict that account. They appear to show Ross positioned to the side of Good’s vehicle when he fired three shots that killed her, with her wheels turned away from him.

Both the former agent and the current agent also questioned why Ross was assigned to this operation in the first place, given a previous injury involving a driver at the wheel of a vehicle just a few months before the confrontation with Good.

“That, to me, has red flags all over it,” the former ICE agent said.
“So when this person took off, I'm sure that prior incident came to mind, because he's an experienced officer. And then he just reacted, in my opinion, not in the correct way,” the former agent added.

Last Monday, the Trump administration deployed roughly 2,000 agents from ICE to the Twin Cities area amid a growing fraud scandal at day care centers run by Somali residents. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said on social media that the agents are there to conduct “ a massive investigation on childcare and other rampant fraud.”

The current ICE agent pointed out that while the pretense of the immigration operation in Minneapolis is to investigate welfare fraud, neither border patrol officers nor ICE agents in charge of deportation, also known as Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) officers, are trained to investigate financial fraud.

“None of those skills were asked for when they sought out volunteers, or when they pulled people, it was just… we just need people to go out there and flood the area,” the current ICE agent said.
You would bring in a team of HSI special agents who have done that before, who have investigated that type of fraud,” he added, referring to Homeland Security Investigations, an agency within DHS.

The surge in Minneapolis is part of a broad nationwide push by the Trump Administration to meet President Donald Trump’s aim to carry out the “largest deportation operation in American history.”

To meet that goal, ICE has doubled its manpower from 10,000 to 22,000 in less than a year, thanks to its aggressive hiring campaign. To respond to the massive surge of new officers, ICE has shortened the training at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Georgia from 13 weeks to six weeks, NBC first reported. The former agent called that a “recipe for disaster.”

“You can't train someone to do all the basic law enforcement stuff, let alone the law. Immigration law used to be a five or six-month course at the academy. How do you know that people are here legally unless you know the law?�You use Google?” the current ICE agent said.

The former ICE agent also said that this rushed training could lead to a domino effect as more senior ICE agents plan for retirement, and the new recruits, who didn’t have as much legal and enforcement training as previous generations, fill the gap.

Some retired agents have also been invited by ICE to rejoin the force, but according to the former ICE agent, the risk of going back outweighs staying retired.

“The biggest concern is jeopardizing your pension. And then, of course, violating the law.�If you're ordered and you know that you're violating the law and you say no, then you stand a chance of being terminated. And then you jeopardize your pension,” the former agent said, adding that some officers are asked to work for 16-hour shifts six to seven days a week. “For most of us, it's not worth it.”
Read full story here: time.com/7345954/ice-agents-renee-good/...

Casdon

There has been plenty of reporting since it started, so I do think we do have a good idea of where they are with this Oreo, and how unanticipated a position they find themselves in now - it is a case of flying by the seat of his pants, again, for Trump.
edition.cnn.com/2026/01/14/politics/trump-iran-action-retaliation

Sorry but you or I have any idea what the US military plan to do in Iran and quite rightly it’s not something they want broadcast after all until they do it.

There should always be an investigation after a shooting by someone armed and in authority, and this case is no different to others presumably.We have an investigation after the same thing when it happens here.
Nobody knows what the outcome will be of course.