Perfidy on the High Seas

Cossy

David49

The boats are ordered to stop, they try to outrun the warship so it is assumed they are drug boats and they get sunk, sounds good to me

If I was ordered to stop, like any sensible person I would stop

Mmm It is assumed they are drug boats?

Where exactly are these boats ? International waters or USA waters?

International waters.

You see a plane which is camouflaged and you know not what it is or where it is from or what its intentions are, what would you do?
It's not so easy to stop a boat or ship either.

ronib

Mmm what do you assume the cargo is Cossy? Bananas?

Fish?

It would have been permissible to have boarded the ship if it was not flying a flag, I think, and inspected the cargo, to ascertain if it was legal or non-legal.

There are legal ways to combat drug smuggling and illegal ways. Trump opts for the latter.
We should always fight for the laws to be maintained otherwise we are little better than the criminals themselves.

ronib

Mmm what do you assume the cargo is Cossy? Bananas?

Haha I cannot assume it’s anything actually, because I don’t know! There’s no real evidence that Trump knew, none he’s sharing anyway.

I was always taught, never assume, it make an ass out of u and me. Haha.

AGAA4

There are legal ways to combat drug smuggling and illegal ways. Trump opts for the latter.
We should always fight for the laws to be maintained otherwise we are little better than the criminals themselves.

There are legal ways to combat drug smuggling
Which is how the UK deal with it.

Ronib 15.09: 'Maybe Trump felt that the supply of cocaine had been sufficiently disrupted and that there were mitigating circumstances to pardon Hernandez. No idea. But the fact that Trump pardoned Hernandez doesn’t mean that he will be free to resume cocaine smuggling".

I guess there is data to show whether supply of cocaine has actually been sufficiently disrupted from Honduras to US? But I yes we are only to speculate on Trump's motives. Of course factually Hernandez is now to resume drug trafficking now out of prison but fingers crossed he won't.

I still think Trump issuing so many pardons to a significant number of drug traffickers is very strange and a contradictory message to send to the world at best.

Allira I did read your link and yes that is the way it should be done. The UK way.

LemonJam

Ronib 15.09: 'Maybe Trump felt that the supply of cocaine had been sufficiently disrupted and that there were mitigating circumstances to pardon Hernandez. No idea. But the fact that Trump pardoned Hernandez doesn’t mean that he will be free to resume cocaine smuggling".

I guess there is data to show whether supply of cocaine has actually been sufficiently disrupted from Honduras to US? But I yes we are only to speculate on Trump's motives. Of course factually Hernandez is now to resume drug trafficking now out of prison but fingers crossed he won't.

I still think Trump issuing so many pardons to a significant number of drug traffickers is very strange and a contradictory message to send to the world at best.

The vast majority of drugs smuggled out of Columbia goes through the eastern pacific route, 74 %
Only 16% goes through the western Caribbean/ Atlantic route.
Trump’s invasion made no difference whatsoever.

Oreo

I think if the boat had been an innocent fishing boat then the world would know by now.
These narco boats contain armed vicious men, don’t waste any tears on them.

I think if the boat had turned out to be an innocent fishing boat it’s very unlikely that the world would know by now.

Do you think Trump would tell us?

Hernandez was found guilty of drug trafficking, after a three week trial in a USA court.
No evidence was given by the White House when asked for proof of the alleged 'set up' by Biden

My goodness, what to believe?

Spot on, Delila

Delila

Oreo

I think if the boat had been an innocent fishing boat then the world would know by now.
These narco boats contain armed vicious men, don’t waste any tears on them.

I think if the boat had turned out to be an innocent fishing boat it’s very unlikely that the world would know by now.

Do you think Trump would tell us?

An innocent fishing boat would not be travelling at 50 knots, they travel at 15 knots or so and can easily be caught and investigated. The real harm is the crime associated with addicts involved in crime and gangs fighting for control.
Governments around the world condone drug use, drug use is increasing in the UK and many other countries, cocaine is just part of the problem, synthetic drugs can be manufactured anywhere.
Trump is actually wasting his time because when the Democrats get back on power everything will be reversed.

I agree with David and Petra re what Trump is doing re drugs, possibly for different reasons.

However, Trump will use his activities to be able to claims he is a “good man” not a “bad man”.

It’s makes no sense to whatsoever to one the one hand pardon drug barons and then on the other bomb boats allegedly carrying drugs.

A most mystifying series of events. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

Still no more strange than most things Trump does and says

I’m of the view that Trump does things in his personal best interests- which may explain some of his contradictory actions.

It's just overt criminal action.
Right or wrong, guilty or innocent, makes no difference to him.
A rogue nation now.

wonder if Trump will continue to kill people because he knows/thinks he knows the those people are definitely drug runners? killing is killing is killing and he seems to be enjoying it more and more. the end does not justify the means!!!

correction: thinks he knows that those people etc.

I am convinced that man is hell bent on starting WW III. Yesterday US seized a tanker sailing under the Russian flag, off the coast of Scotland. He has told Iranian Patriots to 'take over your institutions' and that 'help is on it's way'. He should concentrate on getting his own country in order. Oh wait a minute, that hasn't worked out well so far has it?

MrsMatt That’s the same tanker that was seized from carrying oil for Venezuela ( tho empty when seized.) It runs up various flags to deceive.It’s been taken to Scotland to refuel and get supplies.

Iranians are protesting off their own bat not because Trump told them to, but I sure hope help is coming soon for them.

Drug trafficking in the US does, at the extreme, carry the death penalty, but it is carried out in a court of law, not on the high seas.

MrsMatt

I am convinced that man is hell bent on starting WW III. Yesterday US seized a tanker sailing under the Russian flag, off the coast of Scotland. He has told Iranian Patriots to 'take over your institutions' and that 'help is on it's way'. He should concentrate on getting his own country in order. Oh wait a minute, that hasn't worked out well so far has it?

Is that not a contravention of so many international shipping laws?

They didn't bother to let the Scottish government know it was there either. Our first minister isn't a happy bunny.

While it may sound like a good idea to kill drug dealers ronib, it's outside the law, it's killing people who have not been judged as guilty by a court or jury, so it sounds like summary execution! What if the dealers had crew who are coerced into the role? What if innocent relatives, children, girlfriends, boyfriends etc were on board? What's to stop drug dealers being rounded up and gassed, followed by political dissenters and so on? Thin end of the wedge IMHO.