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Cossy Tue 13-Jan-26 10:41:16

Telegraph today

Trump’s plan to make Greenlanders an offer they can’t refuse

Sounds more than a little ominous?

Really interesting article covering two things

1) Trumps complete “lie” about Russian and China having ships in Greenland water, not ONE local report from Greenland, across many sources, about spitting even ONE ship.

2) Very very interesting info around Greenland’s minerals. A good read if you have time, link below.

It raises yet again how gun-ho Trump is about getting what he wants, lying, cheating and breaking all kinds of protocol because man-child Trump chooses.

My heart goes out to Greenlanders, who appear very content with Denmark and both Greenland and Denmark have cooperated fully with USA re security since the 1950’s.

My view? Come on Europe, pool ALL your resources and stop this idiot before he ruins our entire world with his greed.

What do you think?

Just in case link doesn’t work, salient points from the article are below, warning, it’s long!

.*Trump’s plan to make Greenlanders an offer they can’t refuse
US proposals to buy the island have been met with protests and alarm by locals
Eir Nolsøe is Economics Correspondent at The Telegraph covering stories on government tax and spend, the labour market and monetary policy.
When Aka Binzer-Johnsen prepared her two daughters for school and nursery after the holidays at the start of January, she felt compelled to tell them about Donald Trump. “I asked my daughters if they could remember from last year that Trump really wants our country,” she says. “I tried to explain in a child-friendly way that this is happening again, and if they hear anything, that’s why.”
The 38-year-old mother, her husband Uju and their daughters, aged five and seven, live on the outskirts of Nuuk, the capital of Greenland.
Home to just 20,000 people, life in the quiet town with colourful wooden houses normally feels safe and far removed from the world’s troubles.
But the US president’s threats to seize Greenland have brought a crisis to Nuuk’s doorstep. “This was always like a safe little bubble,” says Binzer-Johnsen, who is a project manager for a charity. “That’s what we are used to from growing up here.”
She adds: “Everything has changed so fast. People are very scared, and emotions are heightened. I’ve felt really bad about what is going on. I’ve had sleepless nights.
“I have so many questions, wondering what we are going to do. If I want to protect my family, is this the time to act?
“I constantly feel ready to flee and leave, just for a period. But at the same time, we can’t just stop living. Everything we’ve invested in is here: our dreams and our life.”

Such considerations are now weighing on the minds of many Greenlanders, regardless of the territory’s status as a Nato member and having served as an American ally for more than 80 years.
The fate of the world’s largest island has been thrust back into the spotlight this month following Trump’s capture of Nicolás Maduro, the Venezuelan president.
Buoyed by his coup in Latin America, Trump has now set his sights on Greenland, the sparsely populated autonomous Danish territory.
“We need Greenland from a national security situation,” Mr Trump said last week, adding that he may have to choose between preserving Nato or expanding America’s influence in the western hemisphere.

“It’s so strategic. Right now, Greenland is covered with Russian and Chinese ships all over the place.”
The threats have sent alarm bells ringing in Copenhagen and Brussels, prompting stunned European leaders to issue a joint statement saying they will “not stop defending” Greenland.
However, it should not come as a surprise.
The US president has long been fascinated by Greenland, which has been part of the Danish kingdom for hundreds of years, like the Faroe Islands.
Trump first proposed buying the island during his first term in 2019, comparing it to “a large real estate deal”.

Seven years later, he has returned to the issue, alternating between threats of military force and offers to make Greenlanders rich.
All in all, last week’s events suggest the US president may be determined to make Greenlanders an offer they can’t refuse.
However, in Nuuk, the mood is one of anger and defiance.
“He can go f--- himself,” is the verdict from a local pensioner.

So why has the world’s most powerful man decided that, come hell or high water, he must own the world’s largest island?
“The Arctic is the crossroads of the world,” says Dwayne Menezes, founder of the Polar Research and Policy Initiative in London.
“Greenland is strategically located along the shortest air and sea routes between three continents: North America, Europe and Asia.”
The country’s position means it would offer the shortest route for ballistic missiles targeting North America, and it is key to surveillance in the Arctic.
“It also is a vast resource frontier, all of which is becoming increasingly strategically important for the US, but also increasingly accessible because of climate change,” Menezes adds.

The US has cooperated with Greenland and Denmark on national security since the Second World War.
Americans operate the island’s only military base. Some 150 US soldiers staff the Pituffik Space Base on the north-west coast, down from 6,000 during the Cold War.
This is part of a defence agreement that has been in place between the US and Denmark since 1951.
“The US has had such critical infrastructure in Greenland since the Second World War, through the Cold War, and more recently, even now, it plays a very, very important role for the Space Force,” Menezes says.

Experts and locals are also sceptical of US claims that the island’s waters are full of ships from hostile states that pose a threat.
“If there are so many Chinese and Russian ships here, then how can it be that only Donald Trump has seen them?” says Frans Heilmann, the boss of fishing company Sigguk.
Heilmann adds: “All of Greenland is full of fishing trawlers. I have not heard of a single trawler that has spotted either a Russian or Chinese vessel near our coasts.

“I am not sure he [Trump] has much of a conscience. He says Greenland’s strategic position means he needs us for national security.
“But he already has that. That argument is worthless. He’s just after the minerals. He’s a trophy hunter.”
The suspicion that Trump’s interest in Greenland is its vast deposits of rare earths is widespread.
“It’s not really any more about wanting to get Greenland because of security reasons, but coming up with security reasons to get Greenland,” says Menezes.*

The island is rich in resources ranging from uranium that can be used to power nuclear plants to obscure minerals critical for modern-day electronics.*

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LizzieDrip Wed 21-Jan-26 17:16:34

Mamie

On September 12, 2001, the day after the 9/11 attacks, NATO met in an emergency session. For the first and only time in its history, NATO invoked Article 5. All 18 of the United States's allies stated they would support America's response to the attacks.

Absolutely!

I find it highly offensive that Trump appears to have conveniently ‘forgotten’ this.

Imagine listening to Trump’s insensitive BS as the mother of a son who died in Afghanistan or a veteran who lost limbs.

Trump can try and re-write history until he’s blue in the face … it doesn’t make it so. He should be thanking the brave NATO service men & women who came to America’s aid; instead, he’s eradicating them!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 21-Jan-26 17:08:05

Heard it suggested

Trump will no longer assist Ukraine - hardware and intelligence - until we give up Greenland.

MayBee70 Wed 21-Jan-26 16:59:49

Allira

DH is watching Animal Park.
Lovely giraffes. There is a lovely world out there, we have to protect it from predatory beasts.

I watch Wild Earth most of the time these days. Channel 91 on my tv. Live safari in South Africa. The animals there seem to sort their pecking order out far better than us humans these days. Couple of young male elephants having a bit of a tiff at the moment, though. Did you know that elephants have toenails and they use them to scrape the prickles off cactus which they then eat…

Mamie Wed 21-Jan-26 16:57:00

On September 12, 2001, the day after the 9/11 attacks, NATO met in an emergency session. For the first and only time in its history, NATO invoked Article 5. All 18 of the United States's allies stated they would support America's response to the attacks.

Casdon Wed 21-Jan-26 16:49:04

That would also leave the USA unprotected though knspol. He seems to disregard that the USA cannot survive alone either, NATO is not only Europe, and if he continues down this route, who will be his allies, when he’s proven he can’t be trusted?

knspol Wed 21-Jan-26 16:34:53

I think what's scary is the possibility that Trump will pull out of NATO because of the opposition to his plans whatever they might turn out to be. If that happens then Europe and UK are in a very precarious position as we've relied on the US for so long as our protector and deterrent. Putin must be loving this and maybe China too.

Mamie Wed 21-Jan-26 16:25:03

foxie48

It's all the fault of Swiss watches! The US is keeping the whole world afloat. Without the US most countries wouldn't work. He's talking absolute rubbish now time to turn him off!

Someone on Mumsnet described it as verbal vomit with a few brain farts thrown in. I can't argue with that.

CariadAgain Wed 21-Jan-26 16:10:35

So it's just come out that a major Danish pension fund, managing $25billion is about to fully divest from America.

Fine by me. Quite prepared for our countries (and I count the North as "our countries") to chuck the US economy for six and not lose a wink of sleep about it. If the Americans decide Trump has become too much of a liability = up to them to get rid of him and see if they can find someone more sensible to take over his position.

As far as I'm concerned = they've asked for it - and it's up to them to figure out a way to chuck him out of the presidency.

All this time where many of us have probably sorta thought of America as "one of us"......hmm....well they've lost that.

David49 Wed 21-Jan-26 15:55:16

Grantanow

I doubt the US would invade Greenland. That would be an act of war which only Congress can authorise and I doubt the US military would act without Congressional approval.

There have been many military actions since WW2 without congress authority, " in the US vital interest" being one example.
In the case of Greenland that is a very grey area, congress today might approve action, but in the future (next year) a different house may change that. So there is little point in giving credibility to the reality of a "hostile takeover".

Kitty55 Wed 21-Jan-26 15:54:10

Trump is evil, anything to line his own pockets and have world dominance. He alas has his desiples . A H springs to mind. Let’s not let him please

keepingquiet Wed 21-Jan-26 15:44:31

Curlywhirly

I've had to turn it off. I can't stand to hear any more of his bragging - 'it was my idea', 'no one else has ever done this', 'I'm doing great deals' etc, etc, etc. He's off his head. 🤮🤮🤮

Me too- just couldn't stand listening to his nonsense.

How people can sit there and deal with him so patiently is beyond me...

Aveline Wed 21-Jan-26 15:43:27

They do indeed

Stillness Wed 21-Jan-26 15:42:07

Dictators need to be stopped.

David49 Wed 21-Jan-26 15:26:59

Whitewavemark2

The U.K. absolutely must lead the way in developing a closer military defence force in Europe.

I don’t think we have any choice at all.

Agreed, the biggest obstacle is the French as usual, currently they are threatening to leave NATO.
Realistically nothing is going to happen quickly, NATO is dependant on the US for nuclear back up only France has an independant deterrent. Most of all NATO relies on US aircraft and technology.
Maybe in a decade Europe will be credible in its own right, but that depends on agreement to spend a great deal more than at present

Curlywhirly Wed 21-Jan-26 15:05:18

I've had to turn it off. I can't stand to hear any more of his bragging - 'it was my idea', 'no one else has ever done this', 'I'm doing great deals' etc, etc, etc. He's off his head. 🤮🤮🤮

CariadAgain Wed 21-Jan-26 14:59:03

Allira

Whitewavemark2

What find somewhat worrying is if Denmark gives into the pressure and gives over a huge amount of sovereign territory to Trump.

What stops him then looking at Iceland? Canada, Scotland.

Those who want Scotland to become independent should perhaps be careful what they wish for.

How does becoming the 57th State sound?
After Greenland, Canada, Mexico, the Panama Canal, Cuba and the Gaza Strip.

That could be a point.

"Safer together" - ie the lot of us - England/Wales/Scotland. I'd have Ireland reunited (as it seriously doesn't make sense imo to have it divided) - but the rest of us as "one country and that's it!"

foxie48 Wed 21-Jan-26 14:58:37

It's all the fault of Swiss watches! The US is keeping the whole world afloat. Without the US most countries wouldn't work. He's talking absolute rubbish now time to turn him off!

Allira Wed 21-Jan-26 14:57:26

DH is watching Animal Park.
Lovely giraffes. There is a lovely world out there, we have to protect it from predatory beasts.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 21-Jan-26 14:57:17

The U.K. absolutely must lead the way in developing a closer military defence force in Europe.

I don’t think we have any choice at all.

LizzieDrip Wed 21-Jan-26 14:52:59

Whitewavemark2

Re his speech - He’s mad isn’t he?

Yes he really, really is!

I’m actually finding this very scary.

foxie48 Wed 21-Jan-26 14:50:07

OMG I can hardly listen to this rambling rubbish!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 21-Jan-26 14:38:42

Well today he has said that he will not use force in obtains Greenland. I realise that next week it will be different. I wonder if the military have indicated that they aren’t happy?

Allira Wed 21-Jan-26 14:31:22

Whitewavemark2

How about Trumpton formally known as Edinburgh 😀😀

😂😂😂

At least he might not flatten for a golf course.
Palace of Hollywood House?

Allira Wed 21-Jan-26 14:29:28

Whitewavemark2

Re his speech - He’s mad isn’t he?

I know I should listen but 🤔

foxie48 Wed 21-Jan-26 14:28:43

"The US pays nearly 100% of Nato's budget"
Rubbish the figures is nearly 16%