Entering the UK- or going to happen now

Rosie51

Well as Nanna is being told she must just suck up the regulations regarding having to get a British passport then we must just suck up the regulations that she's entitled to vote in our elections, and I hope she and all the others this applies to will.
I still think that her Australian granddaughters with Australian passports being told they must apply for British passports is stupid, but if they're the rules then they're the rules.

😂
That about sums it up!

Stop being whingeing POMS.

Rosie51

Well as Nanna is being told she must just suck up the regulations regarding having to get a British passport then we must just suck up the regulations that she's entitled to vote in our elections, and I hope she and all the others this applies to will.
I still think that her Australian granddaughters with Australian passports being told they must apply for British passports is stupid, but if they're the rules then they're the rules.

The idea that these two things have any sort of equivalence is nonsense . When someone votes , there are consequences for others in general and those voting should have to bear whatever the consequences are. You don’t if you don’t live in the country. Nannas decisions about dual citizenships passports etc just impact her.

Tuliptree

Rosie51

Well as Nanna is being told she must just suck up the regulations regarding having to get a British passport then we must just suck up the regulations that she's entitled to vote in our elections, and I hope she and all the others this applies to will.
I still think that her Australian granddaughters with Australian passports being told they must apply for British passports is stupid, but if they're the rules then they're the rules.

The idea that these two things have any sort of equivalence is nonsense . When someone votes , there are consequences for others in general and those voting should have to bear whatever the consequences are. You don’t if you don’t live in the country. Nannas decisions about dual citizenships passports etc just impact her.

Oh so some regulations are fine because you agree with them, but other regulations are not fine because you disagree with them? OK I get it now, we'll run all regulations past our new commander-in-chief Trump Tuliptree to see which ones should or should not apply.

Oh dear, you sound a bit rattled. I’m sorry you didn’t understand what I posted about the difference in the impact of regulations on others. Actions which impact others are different from those that only impact oneself

Not rattled at all, no need for you to concern yourself, or to apologise for your lack of comprehension. I fully understand the difference of impacts, merely state, as I believe it to be true, that regulations are regulations. Perhaps you don't understand that aspect?

Rosie51

Not rattled at all, no need for you to concern yourself, or to apologise for your lack of comprehension. I fully understand the difference of impacts, merely state, as I believe it to be true, that regulations are regulations. Perhaps you don't understand that aspect?

Regulations are regulations is quite a meaningless statement without any consideration of what the regulations are about and who they impact. But never mind - OP can vote here but can’t come here without a UK passport. I care about the principle underpinning the former but am indifferent to the latter.

I care about the principle underpinning the former but am indifferent to the latter. Of course you are, you're selfishly thinking about yourself and giving no consideration to her.

I don't understand. Does the UK passport requirement only apply to certain countries (Aus, NZ or Canada for example) or every country in the world. And how do "they" know if you or your parents were originally born in the UK? Sorry if I'm being thick but I really don't understand. Can someone give me an idiot's guide?

Rosie51

^I care about the principle underpinning the former but am indifferent to the latter.^ Of course you are, you're selfishly thinking about yourself and giving no consideration to her.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. I can’t begin to think of one good reason why I should care about someone who has chosen not to renew her passport - she’s made a choice, she’s a grown up. If she had had her passport unjustly taken away from her for some reason I can imagine I might care about the principle underpinning that. But this case? Nope.

flappergirl

I don't understand. Does the UK passport requirement only apply to certain countries (Aus, NZ or Canada for example) or every country in the world. And how do "they" know if you or your parents were originally born in the UK? Sorry if I'm being thick but I really don't understand. Can someone give me an idiot's guide?

I think I’m going to advise you to read the full thread. There are some brilliant factual explanations but I for one have lost the will to live😂😂

As a Canadian with a Jersey born mother (now deceased), I would just apply for an entry visa if I ever decide to visit UK.

Reading all the data regarding rights to a UK passport is a bit complicated, since it depends on whether my mum ever became a Canadian citizen (I honestly don't know). I suppose I could apply for both UK and French passports through my parents. but I don't really see any benefit to doing so. I don't plan on staying in either country for any length of time other than short tourist visit.

Just thinking but Nanny8 would have lost voting eligibility roughly 15 years after leaving (around early 1990s if they left mid-1970s). To vote under the change they have to re-register and then renew their registration periodically (currently every 3 years).

I can't see that going down well with the OP.

DaisyAnneReturns

Just thinking but Nanny8 would have lost voting eligibility roughly 15 years after leaving (around early 1990s if they left mid-1970s). To vote under the change they have to re-register and then renew their registration periodically (currently every 3 years).

I can't see that going down well with the OP.

Yes, I think they were the rules but now they have changed. I don't understand the reasoning behind it at all.

I can't see that going down well with the OP.

Why? nanna8 has not said that she wishes to vote as far as I know.
It was another poster who said she would - that poster must have remarkable insight into other people's s minds.

flappergirl

I don't understand. Does the UK passport requirement only apply to certain countries (Aus, NZ or Canada for example) or every country in the world. And how do "they" know if you or your parents were originally born in the UK? Sorry if I'm being thick but I really don't understand. Can someone give me an idiot's guide?

It applies to anyone with dual nationality.

Believe me, they know everything!

flappergirl

I don't understand. Does the UK passport requirement only apply to certain countries (Aus, NZ or Canada for example) or every country in the world. And how do "they" know if you or your parents were originally born in the UK? Sorry if I'm being thick but I really don't understand. Can someone give me an idiot's guide?

Not quite. It doesn’t apply to “anyone with dual nationality.” It applies to people who are citizens of that specific country. Many countries (including the UK) require their own citizens, even if they also hold another nationality, to use that country’s passport when entering or leaving. So it’s about being a citizen of that country, not about dual nationality in general.

DaisyAnneReturns

flappergirl

I don't understand. Does the UK passport requirement only apply to certain countries (Aus, NZ or Canada for example) or every country in the world. And how do "they" know if you or your parents were originally born in the UK? Sorry if I'm being thick but I really don't understand. Can someone give me an idiot's guide?

Not quite. It doesn’t apply to “anyone with dual nationality.” It applies to people who are citizens of that specific country. Many countries (including the UK) require their own citizens, even if they also hold another nationality, to use that country’s passport when entering or leaving. So it’s about being a citizen of that country, not about dual nationality in general.

Nanna was born in Uk, her daughter was born in the Uk and emigrated to Australia as a year old baby. Nanna's granddaughters were born in Australia to Australian fathers and hold Australian passports. They have zero interest in applying for the British citizenship they are entitled to, but are told they cannot enter the UK without a British passport. Their valid Australian passport and a visitor's ETA is not acceptable. Make it make sense!

Allira

DaisyAnneReturns

Just thinking but Nanny8 would have lost voting eligibility roughly 15 years after leaving (around early 1990s if they left mid-1970s). To vote under the change they have to re-register and then renew their registration periodically (currently every 3 years).

I can't see that going down well with the OP.

Yes, I think they were the rules but now they have changed. I don't understand the reasoning behind it at all.

I can't see that going down well with the OP.

Why? nanna8 has not said that she wishes to vote as far as I know.
It was another poster who said she would - that poster must have remarkable insight into other people's s minds.

Maybe read the thread

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nanna8 Sat 07-Feb-26 11:59:06
I think I will vote next time - move over horrible Keir. Never have since we left but I do still care when the place looks as though it is in trouble

DaisyAnneReturns

Just thinking but Nanny8 would have lost voting eligibility roughly 15 years after leaving (around early 1990s if they left mid-1970s). To vote under the change they have to re-register and then renew their registration periodically (currently every 3 years).

I can't see that going down well with the OP.

The 15 year limit was abolished in 2024

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OldFrill

Allira

DaisyAnneReturns

Just thinking but Nanny8 would have lost voting eligibility roughly 15 years after leaving (around early 1990s if they left mid-1970s). To vote under the change they have to re-register and then renew their registration periodically (currently every 3 years).

I can't see that going down well with the OP.

Yes, I think they were the rules but now they have changed. I don't understand the reasoning behind it at all.

I can't see that going down well with the OP.

Why? nanna8 has not said that she wishes to vote as far as I know.
It was another poster who said she would - that poster must have remarkable insight into other people's s minds.

Maybe read the thread

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nanna8 Sat 07-Feb-26 11:59:06
I think I will vote next time - move over horrible Keir. Never have since we left but I do still care when the place looks as though it is in trouble

It was a joke!!

Rosie51

DaisyAnneReturns

flappergirl

I don't understand. Does the UK passport requirement only apply to certain countries (Aus, NZ or Canada for example) or every country in the world. And how do "they" know if you or your parents were originally born in the UK? Sorry if I'm being thick but I really don't understand. Can someone give me an idiot's guide?

Not quite. It doesn’t apply to “anyone with dual nationality.” It applies to people who are citizens of that specific country. Many countries (including the UK) require their own citizens, even if they also hold another nationality, to use that country’s passport when entering or leaving. So it’s about being a citizen of that country, not about dual nationality in general.

Nanna was born in Uk, her daughter was born in the Uk and emigrated to Australia as a year old baby. Nanna's granddaughters were born in Australia to Australian fathers and hold Australian passports. They have zero interest in applying for the British citizenship they are entitled to, but are told they cannot enter the UK without a British passport. Their valid Australian passport and a visitor's ETA is not acceptable. Make it make sense!

Yes!!

They are British whether they want to be or not and have to pay how much? A$1,000? To renounce their British citizenship!
A lot of money for young people who want to travel.

Or they can get a UK passport. They don’t btw have to apply for British citizenship - they have it automatically. It’s the passport they’d apply for . Much cheaper than renouncing.

I live in France and vote in the UK.
No taxation without representation.

Mamie

I live in France and vote in the UK.
No taxation without representation.

Maybe that should be the test? But income tax is only a proportion of the tax we pay - those of us living here pay a whole swathe of other taxes. Also we contribute to our communities - by working, volunteering. But anyway the current system means that someone who doesn’t contribute anything to British society, materially or in other ways, and has lived abroad for decades has a vote equal to mine. I think that’s an indefensible position - I could just about stomach the old rule of 15 years.

Tuliptree

Mamie

I live in France and vote in the UK.
No taxation without representation.

Maybe that should be the test? But income tax is only a proportion of the tax we pay - those of us living here pay a whole swathe of other taxes. Also we contribute to our communities - by working, volunteering. But anyway the current system means that someone who doesn’t contribute anything to British society, materially or in other ways, and has lived abroad for decades has a vote equal to mine. I think that’s an indefensible position - I could just about stomach the old rule of 15 years.

I volunteer as a teacher of English language and have spent a lot of time developing understanding of British culture.
I also teach French to groups of older folk online in the UK.
Is that worth nothing?

That’s laudable Mamie but doesn’t really address the core issue does it? One thing I have wondered is that under the double taxation rules on your UK income are you better or worse off by paying Uk income tax rather than French income tax? Just out of interest.