Entering the UK- or going to happen now

LIKE DAR- discussion won't change the border arrangements and passport costs.

It's more the case that Nanna8, original poster, is furious about these arrangements, the associated costs, states "how dare they' and if she arrived to the UK in a small boat that might make things easier. Her thread probably fits better on the AIBU thread. You and Allira possibly would respond you do consider her not being unreasonable and that you agree it's unfair.

My response would be the situation is as it is as are the associated costs. You either decide not to travel or make the necessary arrangements- entirely your choice as an adult and moaning won't change anything. My response would be I do think you are being unreasonable believing that think you are being treated any differently than any other dual citizen in Australia, US, Canada, now UK and later this year EU. That the cost of a passport is not prohibitive in context that if you cab afford a return flight from the Australia to the UK you can afford to purchase a 10 year passport.

LemonJam I'd appreciate you not adding in something when you quote me that I did not say, namely "Oh dear, so it goes on" If you care to check the post of mine you are putting in quotation marks (at 14:41:01 ) no such phrase ends it. I don't understand why you feel the need to include something I didn't type? What is the purpose?

Oh yes- Please disregard my typo “ oh dear and so it goes on” that was Allira’s post at 11.07 which quoted in my response at 11.51. My cut and paste tab mistakenly included - apologies.

All I can say is what nasty judgemental people some are . OK whinge about us as adults but to expect young 18 year olds who have never set foot in the country to fork out hundreds of dollars each to visit is dreadful. Too hard for you to understand, obviously. Plus it takes months for your lovely country to respond to something that they dot even want . Plus they have to send original documentation to someone they neither know nor trust. That’s ok though British and Best.

nanna8

All I can say is what nasty judgemental people some are . OK whinge about us as adults but to expect young 18 year olds who have never set foot in the country to fork out hundreds of dollars each to visit is dreadful. Too hard for you to understand, obviously. Plus it takes months for your lovely country to respond to something that they dot even want . Plus they have to send original documentation to someone they neither know nor trust. That’s ok though British and Best.

I think people were just pointing out the practical side of the process rather than judging anyone. The costs and paperwork apply to everyone, so the comments were about how the system works rather than about the individuals involved.

You calls others “nasty” and “judgemental” then procede to judge and insult them (“Too hard for you to understand”). I really do think you are posting under the wrong subject, as what you seem to want is to be told your opinions are not unreasonable. Nothing less, it seems, will stop you attacking our country or GN members.

I echo DAR, 13.07, Nanna8. Please don't insult my/our intelligence by repeating over and over that I/we find the issue and your comments "too hard for you to understand". We do understand your repeated comments and complaints.

You appear to have a big dislike of and disparage Britain/UK- "your lovely country"- so it's easy to understand why you do not wish to travel here ever again and enjoy living in Australia.

Not really sure why you keep moaning and complaining about the UK system that is exactly the same as the Australia system, save for UK costs cheaper.

The systems are totally different. Believe what you like . No one cares which passport you travel on here we are not so silly. And we don’t make people who were born elsewhere claim citizenship that they don’t want before being allowed to come here. That’s it, can’t be bothered with this thread anymore, none so blinds as those that cannot see. Or like to just disagree for the sake of it.

Engaging with someone who is acting for an audience rather than seeking genuine understanding can often be draining and futile, ending with them trotting out the "believe what you want" style of comment.

The point is that most of those on News and Politics aren't here to "believe what they want" but to understand the truth. As I've said before Nanna8, you seem to be on the wrong thread topic. You appear to be intent on making people agree with what is a personal opinion; belittling them if they dont. Most on here are discussing the law, the facts.

nanna8: 'The systems are totally different, Believe what you like. No one cares which passport you travel on here we are not so silly. And we don’t make people who were born elsewhere claim citizenship that they don’t want before being allowed to come here. That’s it, can’t be bothered with this thread anymore, none so blinds as those that cannot see. Or like to just disagree for the sake of it.'.

Believe what you want Nanna8 but the travel advice is available on line for all to see and you are wrong-the systems are exactly the same! You have not taken the time to read Australia Travel Advice for Dual Nationals when this same system in reverse was clarified in an earlier post. The situation in reverse is not "totally different" as you claim.

Your OP: "I have an Australian passport and have not lived in the UK for over 50 years but I was born there. Apparently if I want to visit the uk for any reason I have to show a uk passport now. I don’t want one, costs too much and I am absolutely furious about this. I will never visit again , I feel that strongly. How dare they ? Maybe if I went in a little boat from Calais things would be easier ?"

Now imagine a person born in Australia, but living in UK for 50 years, is a dual citizen like yourself and has a UK passport. Here is the advice for that person: uk.embassy.gov.au "Travel Advice for Dual Nationals". :

'All Australians, including dual nationals, should leave and enter Australia on their Australian passport. If you have a passport from another country for example a British passport, you can use this for your return to the UK but you will need your Australian passport for travel to Australia...

International Airlines have the obligation to carry only appropriately documented passengers to Australia...

Appropriate documentation for a foreign national is a visa to enter Australia, Australian citizens do not qualify for a visa in a foreign passport for entry to Australia . If an Australia national attempts to board a flight to Australia without an Australian passport airlines will be likely to be unable to verify their claim to be Australian citizenship at the time of check in and refuse . See the department of Immigration and border Protection website for further information on citizenship and travel. boarding.

Thus the Australia/UK dual national, like yourself, must necessarily purchase an Australian passport if they choose to travel back and enter Australia. They need a UK passport for when they travel back to enter UK- which is exactly what you are complaining about in reverse- no difference at all. The only difference is that the UK charges you less for you to obtain a UK passport that Australia charges in reverse.