Future of the Monarchy

No time at all for any of the royals except maybe for Princess Anne who seems to have a lot of common sense. Unfortunately the institution will probably survive and the lot of them will continue to live their lives of luxury at our expense.
I read this morning how William and Kate do like to keep the school hols for family time at one of their several homes - how many others with children can only dream of doing the same and know they will never be able to and instead have to scrabble around for childcare while they have to continue with their day jobs?
Don't wish any of them ill but am tired of reading how upset William was when Kate became ill with cancer. Sad yes, but exactly the same for every person who unfortunately suffers in the same way but without access to the very best care and specialists available in the country.

The Andrew episode is indeed the most serious crisis for the Monarchy in my life time but it will survive. I mean, what the alternative - rule by government/parliament? There are more corrupt and dishonourable people in both Houses and even one of Andrew's equally depraved and dodgy co traitors whose nefarious past from the New Labour Blair and Brown years is well known by just about everyone so don't tell the Monarchy is over

I really hope to see an end to the monarchy in my life time. It can't come sooner. Charles and William are just covering their own backsides. If they were really concerned about what Andrew was doing they would have acted and spoken out sooner. They are only speaking out now / cutting Andrew off so it looks good in the press to save their own skins. I'm sick of their greed, entitled attitudes and if they really gave a stuff about "their" people they wouldn't be charging hospitals, the army, unoccupied prisons rent for using their land. Charles would also have paid inheritance tax on the £650 million he inherited from his mother. If I sound bitter then it's because I am. It's about time they were taxed properly, paid their dues and their money was cut off and given to improve the lot of the many.

Of course the general public want to see Andrew dealt with. However, I really don't connect it to the Monarchy in general. King Charles is not his brother, everybody knows that Andrew has been a loose cannon all his life. He's had an inflated ego that has been pandered to, if anybody could be seen as culpable for Andrew getting away with so much during his life, I think maybe Queen Elizabeth has more to answer for than anybody else. And I am a supporter of the Monarchy, especially of Elizabeth and her reign. Whether or not the Monarchy does come to an end at some later date I don't think the Andrew fiasco will be the cause.

If the monarchy survive and I hope they do for reasons given here I don’t think the tax payer should keep paying to keep them in the lifestyle they seem to take for granted. They have what they have mostly because of the working people and they can no longer afford to pay so much.

Hunros

Only if the Great British Public elect him

The Prime Minister is never elected by the Great British Public.

Only if the Great British Public elect him

I used to think the Monarch’s right to intercept a bad politician was reason to keep the monarchy until Boris got her to suspend parliament illegally.

SORES

“Whilst the Monarch occupies the highest office of State,
no one else can
While he is Head of Law, no politician can take over the
Courts
As Head of State, no General can take over the Government
As Head of the Services, no coup can turn the Army against
the people

The strength of the Monarchy does not lie in the power it
gives to the Sovereign
but in the power it denies anyone else”

This was the official description in 1969.

“Whilst the Monarch occupies the highest office of State,
no one else can That's the problem, hereditary non elected.
While he is Head of Law, no politician can take over the Courts. The Queen allowed Boris to porogue parliament. The court had to intervein to over rule her
As Head of State, no General can take over the Government. Monarchy gives too much power to government with no checks or balances which gives government too much power to do what it likes.
As Head of the Services, no coup can turn the Army against the people. Government wouldn't alow that to happen.
The strength of the Monarchy does not lie in the power it
gives to the Sovereign
but in the power it denies anyone else” The monarch cannot is not able to defend our constitution so is pointless.

This was the official description

If we replaced the Monarchy with a president s/he wouldn’t have the power that they have in countries like USA where the role is both Head of State and H of Govt. It would be quite a boring job in many ways I imagine. And they’d have to pay taxes just like the rest of us and wouldn’t be exempt from Equality legislation and Freedom of Information and whatever else our HofS avoid. It’s interesting to look at the German and Irish models which gives you a much better idea. And we’d get to vote for them and when their term of office finished, we’d get to vote again. We could even decide we only wanted them to say have two terms in office. At the same time we could completely rethink our second chamber snd voting system and come out the other side with a grown up democracy. Ah well, I can dream. I’ll wake up now and think about the best we could realistically have which is a slimmed down monarchy on the Scandinavian style. With abdication at the latest at 75

I think Zelensky's a bit of an outlier though, with our luck we'd get someone more in the Trump mould.

butterandjam

vegansrock

There would be nothing to stop Charles or William standing in an election for head of state should they wish to, at least we’d know then if they really wanted the job. Not sure why everyone imagines we’d get a President Trump- our system is nothing like that of the US.

Because if you elect a head of state, anybody can run.

Rich people from game shows , media celebrities. USA ended up with Reagan and Donald Trump.

In UK we've got rich/ambitious/popular celebs like Victoria Beckham and Alan Carr.

Heaven forbid an entertainer got elected, we could end up with a President like Zelinksky!

I posted on another similar Thread about a legal entity called 'The Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty' where the UK may now ask the US to send them unredacted files from the Epstein cache, to help in their investigation into AMW.

Forgot to thank you too butterjam.

If someone has several children and a low income they'd probably get help with the rent.

butterandjam

JaneJudge

theworriedwell

JaneJudge

are they single income households?

Was that for me?

Yes it was. Rent on a 3 bed house where I live is £2k and it isn't even posh.

Does a single person need a three bed house?

Three single teachers could share a 3 bed house and pay £740 rent each.

Someone on a single income could be the parent of several children.

Thank you Oreo and Rosie

fancythat

I suspect, could be wrong, that the people who like the monarchy still do, and those that dont, dont.

I presume[could be wrong] that it will continue.

On the other hand, we have seen examples of Monarchy who did their duty when called on, and gave their lives to the service of the country often at considerable cost to their private life and family.

I'm struggling to think of any equivalent from elected Presidents/ Leader who did so for longer than a couple of years.

Indigo8

I never thought I would feel this way about Andrew but the photograph of him in the back of the car that is doing the rounds made me feel sorry for him. He looks so shocked and defeated like a cornered animal.

Don't get me wrong, I am still utterly disgusted by the way he has behaved and lied but I can't help but feel a little pang of sympathy.

compare it with the photo of him crouched on all fours over the small body of a girl.

vegansrock

There would be nothing to stop Charles or William standing in an election for head of state should they wish to, at least we’d know then if they really wanted the job. Not sure why everyone imagines we’d get a President Trump- our system is nothing like that of the US.

Because if you elect a head of state, anybody can run.

Rich people from game shows , media celebrities. USA ended up with Reagan and Donald Trump.

In UK we've got rich/ambitious/popular celebs like Victoria Beckham and Alan Carr.

JaneJudge

theworriedwell

JaneJudge

are they single income households?

Was that for me?

Yes it was. Rent on a 3 bed house where I live is £2k and it isn't even posh.

Does a single person need a three bed house?

Three single teachers could share a 3 bed house and pay £740 rent each.

JaneJudge

I seem to be really angry about the Royal family. I just think they should self fund.

They have enough wealth without top ups from ordinary people

Do you actually know how much they cost the population of UK ?

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/royal-family-numbers-cost-tax-b1235820.html

510 million divided by 69 million (uk population)

your contribution is about 7 quid.

Indigo8

Indigo8

BBC - 2 November 2024 - documentary

"The royal family has received millions of pounds income in rent from the NHS, schools and the armed forces."

Look it up if you don't believe me.

I know of a charge nurse who is living in an HMO because the hospital where he works is in an area of high rents and property prices which does attract any wage weighting. He is struggling to save enough for the deposit on a small rented flat. The only alternative would be to live in a cheaper area miles away and add hours of travel to his, already long, working day or night.

The royals cream off millions of pounds in rent from the NHS every year while many senior, highly skilled employees work long hours for peanuts and are unable to live a decent life on their income.

Do you even know what an HMO is?

It's rented property shared by three or more unrelated adults. It's very common for single adults to flat =share or house-share with other single adults who like company, or the economy of sharing the council tax, heating bills and other expenses.

"HMO" says absolutely nothing negative about either the property or its occupants.

butterandjam

Whitewavemark2

Maremia

Does this mean that the police investigation is now over?

Windsor has been released on bail, with certain restrictions on him to ensure risk is as low as possible. As he is, apparently, being treated exactly like all other people of interest to the police, he will st minimum have to report into the nearest police station periodically.

The investigation now begins and will in all probability take months and months. One thing I think we can be pretty certain about is that there will be no leaks.

He was not released on bail and does not have to report to a police station.

He was "released under investigation"

in other words the police investigation is not over.

mk-law.co.uk/what-happens-when-youre-ruid/

Yes I based that information on a podcast produced by a senior policeman and criminal reporter on the day Windsor was arrested.

Maremia

I still like SORES' explanation, for keeping the Royal Family. Was it on this Thread?

Yes it was.

SORES Fri 20-Feb-26 13:04:37

an excellent explanation of the benefit of having a Constitutional Monarchy.