Future of the Monarchy

Allira, I can't because my qualifications and experience are far removed. I just find it all vulgar, I can't help that.

Janejudge they don't pay rent but they do have mortgages.

Just to clarify Allira my kids both earn more than £40k even though one is part-time after maternity leave.

JaneJudge

are they single income households?

Ah, well, now, that is a different issue altogether.

Why is there so much family breakdown in Britain today?

Do you blame the Royal Family for setting a bad example, perhaps?

JaneJudge

People it Poole
Honestly these people don’t care about us

"Because she most people Do not have a horse"
" People it Poole"


You were "in education" ?

theworriedwell

JaneJudge

are they single income households?

Was that for me?

Yes it was. Rent on a 3 bed house where I live is £2k and it isn't even posh.

JaneJudge

I seem to be really angry about the Royal family. I just think they should self fund.

They have enough wealth without top ups from ordinary people

Could you present us with the alternative system of government you would prefer and how this would change life for those on C£35,000 - £40,000pa forced to use foodbanks?

Yes no nonsense has been coming out of the university educated at all

JaneJudge

are they single income households?

Was that for me?

JaneJudge

I seem to be really angry about the Royal family. I just think they should self fund.

They have enough wealth without top ups from ordinary people

Why should a Head of State self-fund?
That would really be impossible!

Do you think a President would do that? Entertain other Heads of State, all the other duties that go with a H of S?

What exactly do you think you are funding? 🤔

If people have to use foodbanks, do you think that would change with a change from the type of Constitutional Monarchy we have now to a Republic?
Of course it wouldn't. It is the elected Government which is responsible for the economy.

are they single income households?

StoneofDestiny

*He served in the Navy for 22 years*

Not on his own he didn't! Thousands of others did.

So, would you say THEY

"never actually DID anything, never put in." ?

Oreo

Are you a teacher or a teaching assistant or another job in a school Jane Judge as the salaries in ‘education’ vary widely.
Teachers do not require food banks, neither do nurses.

One of my kids is a nurse another is a teacher. Both early 30s, nice houses, no debts unless they are lying to me. I'm pretty certain theyve never used food banks.

I seem to be really angry about the Royal family. I just think they should self fund.

They have enough wealth without top ups from ordinary people

Caleo

An electorate educated to university standard in social sciences and history is essential otherwise we may get a Trump or a Farage as head of state.

No, not necessary at all.

Moreover, the glorification of traditional aristocracy undermines the meritocratic society.

I do believe we need an elected Upper House.

However, having a hereditary Head of State does not bother me, in fact, I think it is preferable as they are symbolic figureheads.
If we had an elected Head of State we would need to be extremely careful to retain a Parliamentary system rather than a Presidential system.

An electorate educated to university standard in social sciences and history is essential otherwise we may get a Trump or a Farage as head of state.

Caleo

King Charles has reinstated the British Monarch as a viable and justifiable head of state. His attitude towards the affairs of his brother Andrew is faultless and an example for the US of good leadership.

I revised my opinion. I see now that King Charles could hardly have taken any other position.

We need an elected head of state, elected on personal merit and proved performance not inherited wealth and primogeniture.

Moreover, the glorification of traditional aristocracy undermines the meritocratic society.

Indigo8

BBC - 2 November 2024 - documentary

"The royal family has received millions of pounds income in rent from the NHS, schools and the armed forces."

Look it up if you don't believe me.

I know of a charge nurse who is living in an HMO because the hospital where he works is in an area of high rents and property prices which does attract any wage weighting. He is struggling to save enough for the deposit on a small rented flat. The only alternative would be to live in a cheaper area miles away and add hours of travel to his, already long, working day or night.

The royals cream off millions of pounds in rent from the NHS every year while many senior, highly skilled employees work long hours for peanuts and are unable to live a decent life on their income.

Apparently there are 8 different forces dealing with this, all dealing with different aspects.

I have been interested to read that there are a number of different police forces dealing with the case - each responsible for a particular aspect. So The Met is dealing with the more serious crime of public office, but others are dealing with sex trafficking, as well as other arrestable offences.

It is generally thought that there is sufficient potential arrestable evidence, which prior to the events that unfolded yesterday would have been months in the gathering, including contact with the DOJ in the USA, the CPS in the U.K.

As more and more drips out over the coming weeks and months the monarchy will be under sever scrutiny and strain.

Sorry - Line of Succession!

I do think the RF can modernise further however. In comparison to other EU RFs it is significantly more expensive, publicly prominent and ceremony focused. Here in UK the Monarchy retains a higher degree of imperial pomp, larger staffing and greater media scrutiny.

I am sure that Charles and, in his turn William, are both intent upon heading towards a more modern Monarchy, even without the Andrew problem they face.

However, it requires our Parliament to remove some of the decidedly suspect and no longer required from the Act of Succession.

It is up to us, the public, too, to stop making such demands on the Royal Family in general that have nothing to do with the duties of Head of State.

We do still need a bit of pomp and circumstance, though. 😀

Thanks for that Trussell Trust information Rosie51. I agree that the RF is not, in itself, responsible for the need for food banks in the UK or for UK poverty in general.

I do think the RF can modernise further however. In comparison to other EU RFs it is significantly more expensive, publicly prominent and ceremony focused. Here in UK the Monarchy retains a higher degree of imperial pomp, larger staffing and greater media scrutiny.

I suspect in view of AMW's arrest and ongoing investigation, the RF may be considering such matters in comparison. Hopefully they will adjust to be more to be in line with other EU RFs as there is enormous focus and scrutiny on the extent of privilege AMW enjoyed yet his activities as a RF member have damaged public trust.

Any foodbank operating under the Trussell Trust umbrella will require a referral from a registered referral agency. With that referral at least three day's worth of food for the size of family will be provided. Usually there is a limit to the number of referrals allowed over a given period. Many, if not most, foodbanks offer much more than food. They can offer advice on where to source help for debt, health and other problems.
All of which is absolutely nothing to do with the Royal family.

From AI The UK Royal Family costs each person approximately £1.29 per year based on the 2022-23 £86.3 million Sovereign Grant. This core funding covers official travel, property maintenance, and staff. However, when including security and other hidden costs, anti-monarchy groups estimate the true annual cost is significantly higher, potentially over £300M to £510M.

Even at the highest figure that works out at just over £7 each per year.