Huntley and comeuppance

All entitled to differing opinions but no need for rude comments such as made by Son25.

I support Monica's consistent position throughout- ie- quite simply- we have a rule of law and justice in this country. It only works because we abide by it and respect it. I also agree with other posters that Huntley's fellow inmates are offenders of violent serious crimes- as was Huntley's attacker- murderer and rapist. They have no legitimate, moral or legal basis to attack others for the crimes they were convicted of.

We can believe all the above whilst still being outraged by Huntley's crime. Nothing whatsoever to do with being "magnanimous when it's someone else's child"

Troll. New poster, middle of the night posting, etc.

M0nica

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It’s easy to be magnanimous when it’s someone else’s child.

Courtesy does not come into it. We have a rule of law and justice in this country. It only works because we abide by it and respect it.

I am fed up with people who do the 'if it was your child' argument. I have been there, not a child, but no details. I and my family reacted as we said we would. We accepted the rule of law.

Supposing you have the lynch mob mentality and build up your hate and loathing - and it is later proven that the person convicted was innocent? This happens far too freuently. This has happened to 2 men recently imprisoned for vile rapes and has happened with child killers in the not far distant past.

I understand what you are saying and I do agree with it. However, I think it is possible to understand the natural, visceral initial reaction to want utter vengeance on anyone who harmed your child, while at the same time accepting that justice must prevail and the law must be allowed to run its course.
It's human nature - I almost lost my own grandchild because of the actions of his mother - and at the time, I felt as if I could have torn her limb from limb. I would never have acted on that, of course - but it was a deep inner reaction borne out of wanting to protect my GC. That 'I would die to protect my child' instinct. That's why the law is there - to stop us acting on those base instincts which lie within all of us.

That 'I would die to protect my child' instinct. That's why the law is there - to stop us acting on those base instincts which lie within all of us.

ViceVersa
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I did say to DH that, if anyone did that my child or grandchild, I would feel, at my age, that I could happily spend the rest of my time in prison to eradicate them and make sure they did not do this to anyone else's child on release.

Of course, I would not do that, but that is how I would feel.

But Viceversa - it’s not the parents of the children is it who attacked Huntley? It’s a different issue and I don’t think anyone would disagree with you as regards not being able to understand how a parent in these circumstances would feel. Having said that, I watched the Dunblane Tapes recently and those parents tear your heart out. The fact that the killer shot himself must have helped but oh, the efforts they put in to getting handguns banned in order to protect the children of others. I know not all murders lead to a campaign but I am so in awe of parents who campaign when it’s possible.

ViceVersa 10.38 " I would never have acted on that, of course - but it was a deep inner reaction borne out of wanting to protect my GC. That 'I would die to protect my child' instinct. That's why the law is there - to stop us acting on those base instincts which lie within all of us"

I agree- there are many posters that have said they understand emotional reactions in extremis, yet still believe that we have a rule of law and justice in this country. It only works because we abide by it and respect it.

A large number, arguably the majority of those that commit serious crimes after all acted on a emotional impulse, including no doubt Huntley's recent attacker. Justice depends on people not acting on such primal impulses. The moment we say that a primal impulse justifies attack the rule of law and order breaks down- to the huge detriment of society.

Tuliptree

But Viceversa - it’s not the parents of the children is it who attacked Huntley? It’s a different issue and I don’t think anyone would disagree with you as regards not being able to understand how a parent in these circumstances would feel. Having said that, I watched the Dunblane Tapes recently and those parents tear your heart out. The fact that the killer shot himself must have helped but oh, the efforts they put in to getting handguns banned in order to protect the children of others. I know not all murders lead to a campaign but I am so in awe of parents who campaign when it’s possible.

I appreciate that, but the debate on here had widened to incorporate discussion of the whole 'lynch mob mentality', which is what I was commenting on.

Vice Vera - fair enough but I think the two issues get conflated and it muddies the waters. Understanding how parents might feel is not relevant really is it to a prisoner attacking Huntley . You can’t begin to compare the two. In fact, I can only recall one case of a parent killing the person who killed his child - I think the child was killed in an RTA. So really it seems to prove that parents would not act on their feelings so makes prisoners doing it even less acceptable .

ViceVersa

Tuliptree

But Viceversa - it’s not the parents of the children is it who attacked Huntley? It’s a different issue and I don’t think anyone would disagree with you as regards not being able to understand how a parent in these circumstances would feel. Having said that, I watched the Dunblane Tapes recently and those parents tear your heart out. The fact that the killer shot himself must have helped but oh, the efforts they put in to getting handguns banned in order to protect the children of others. I know not all murders lead to a campaign but I am so in awe of parents who campaign when it’s possible.

I appreciate that, but the debate on here had widened to incorporate discussion of the whole 'lynch mob mentality', which is what I was commenting on.

Yes, it had, which is why your comment was a valid part of the wider discussion, ViceVersa and you made it clear that that was what you meant.

Thank you, Allira - I did think I had made it perfectly clear that I was referring to the wider debate.

Son25

Of course I am just giving my opinion about the monster, I am out to belittle no-one but maybes a few are to me because I am a “newbie” do we all have to agree about any matter, my opinion is my opinion and I don’t agree with Monica simple as that, thanks for the welcome everyone who tried to belittle me

It is your right to disagree with M0nica and any other poster, of course, but in a polite and reasonable manner.

Perhaps you could attempt to do that without being extremely rude?

Everyone should be allowed to express themselves as they wish

There are guidelines.

Son25

At no point was I rude, my opinion was that Monica was talking rubbish, is that allowed? Everyone should be allowed to express themselves as they wish and that’s how I do am sure Monica can take it like I have with all the comments today

www.gransnet.com/info/netiquette

Hope this helps.

Son25 11.51.

Welcome to Gransnet Son25. All views are welcome. However making a comment to another poster who has a different view than yours as you did ie - you are talking cr*p” - increases your chances of posters calling that out. Don’t think they are seeking to belittle you more the case comments like that are unnecessary and can appear rude.

Tuliptree

But Viceversa - it’s not the parents of the children is it who attacked Huntley? It’s a different issue and I don’t think anyone would disagree with you as regards not being able to understand how a parent in these circumstances would feel. Having said that, I watched the Dunblane Tapes recently and those parents tear your heart out. The fact that the killer shot himself must have helped but oh, the efforts they put in to getting handguns banned in order to protect the children of others. I know not all murders lead to a campaign but I am so in awe of parents who campaign when it’s possible.

I wonder if those bereaved parents feel they can try to bring about some good amongst all the tragedy. Focusing on making the system safer for others may be a big help in keeping their sanity and feeling their child has not died in vain.
It took Ann Mings 15 years to change the double jeopardy law in this country and immense credit and respect to her for battling it through to the end.

Son25- “ talking rubbish” is diufetent thsn your comment- you are talking cr*p. Allira I can see has helpfully provided netiquette guidelines link - hope that helps you.

Sarnia

Ian Huntley has been seriously injured in prison. Nothing trivial, I hope.

It's scandalous that prisoners are not protected from each other whilst in prison. A prison is not run properly when prisoners are injured while incarcerated.

It is shocking that any respectable Gran here would delight in inmate on inmate violence

Sarnia

Son25

Monica your talking crap give it up, who wouldn’t attack a monster I feel I couldn’t hurt a fly but having to live with Huntley I could probably change my mind

MOnica is fully entitled to her opinion and just because it doesn't agree with yours she isn't talking rubbish.
New GN here, are you? A forum is a place where views can be exchanged. Give your opinion by all means but do not belittle others for theirs.

It is absolutely in order for one poster to call out another poster for immoral content. Attitudes to ethics differ between persons. However approval of downright illegality should not pass unremarked.

Just read your 12 12 post Son25. By all means post your views about Lynch mob mentality. Your post prompted me to consider have I and others over reacted - so googled:

"Is it rude to tell someone they are talking crap rude" and this was the result:

"Telling someone they are "talking crap" is generally considered rude and confrontational, although its impact depends heavily on context, tone, and the relationship between the people involved. Here is a breakdown of why and when it is considered rude:

Why It Is Considered Rude
Direct Insult: The phrase is a blunt way of telling someone their words are garbage, lies, or nonsense.
Vulgarity Level: While milder than its synonym "talking s**t," the word "crap" is still considered a vulgarism or, at best, low-level slang. It is not appropriate for professional or polite company.
Aggressive Tone: It often acts as a conversation-stopper that shows a lack of respect for the other person’s opinion.
Dismissive tone:if said to shut someone down or make them feel invalid, it is hostile.

Context Matters
Casual Friendships: Among close friends, this phrase can sometimes be used jokingly or as an "affectionate register" of disagreement, making it less rude.
Professional/Formal Setting: It is almost always considered rude and unprofessional in a workplace or with acquaintances.
Defensive Usage: If used to shut down someone who is lying or harassing you, some might consider it a necessary, though crude, way to establish a boundary.

Less Rude Alternatives
If you want to communicate that someone is not making sense without being rude, you can use:
"I think that's rubbish/nonsense."
"I don't think that's accurate."
"I'm not sure I agree with that."

In summary, it is a blunt, mildly vulgar, and confrontational phrase that is usually best avoided unless you are with close friends who understand your intention".

I Hope that helps Son25 with some alternative suggested form of words to use when you wish to disagree with another poster on Gransnet. That is when you do not intend and neither wish to be perceived as being insulting, disrespectful, rude, dismissive, hostile, aggressive or wish to make the other poster feel invalid.

Son25

Of course I am just giving my opinion about the monster, I am out to belittle no-one but maybes a few are to me because I am a “newbie” do we all have to agree about any matter, my opinion is my opinion and I don’t agree with Monica simple as that, thanks for the welcome everyone who tried to belittle me

If your opinion is unpopular, this is not to "belittle" you!

If we discuss very emotive material we can expect polarised responses.

The word crap isn’t considered rude by many people, they use the word to equate to rubbish.

Much has been said on here about lynch mob mentality, I don’t see that at all, just that some of us don’t care if another killer behind bars has injured a child killer.

And further to that, some of us don’t care if others disagree😉

I think the difference between the opposing opinions is that some of us believe the rule of law applies whether or not the actions occur in public or within a prison. Do we really condone a situation where one prisoner, who raped then murdered a pregnant woman, beats up another prisoner who murdered two children, and then consider the rapist murderer a better person? Is any thought at all given to how such attacks and lawlessness impacts the prison staff? At least be concerned for their safety when you condone prisoners attacking other prisoners.

Who considers the rapist/ murderer a better person? In any case Huntley is a rapist/ murderer too….of children.
Prison officers who work in high security prisons aren’t vulnerable people they’re tough cookies and they do their jobs when it comes to separating violent inmates.