Huntley and comeuppance

Tuliptree

‘Do-gooder’ is such a nasty, slimey, unpleasant phrase which speaks volumes about those who use it.

Good grief, something with which I actually agree.

It’s a horrible phrase, you’ve summed it up very well!

Absolutely horrendous job maremia.
My friend’s daughter is a warden, trying her best to get another job after another warden was stabbed. She is absolutely frightened to death of going into work.
They deserve every penny they earn.

Flippin2

I don't condone violence but I can't express sympathy for Huntley,he took the lives of those little girls,they were innocent,he has been proven guilty

I agree. Of course, like most, if not all of us, I don’t condone “mob rule” however, the reason so many people are in our prisons, putting strains on staffing and safeguarding, is partially due to our lack of both restorative justice and rehabilitation.

Our entire prison and justice system needs a huge review and shake up.

Do I feel sorry for Huntley, no, do I condone the other prisoners violence, no!

Huntley is a dangerous man and I’m sure if someone like him should ever be released. Prison is so much more than a punishment, members of the public should also be safeguarded, too many violent prisoners have been released and then offended, raped and murdered again!

MartavTaurus

I'm a bit late to this thread, though I've tried to skim through it.

I do not condone violence of any sort, and I am not happy with what goes on in our prisons.

But many posters are fretting about how convicted people like this should be treated in prison. My answer would be - locked up 24/7, no mixing, no visitors, basic needs met, that's all.

Actually ‘fretting ‘about how they are treated simply means caring about their right not to be attacked . That’s not part of the punishment handed down by the court.

I'm a bit late to this thread, though I've tried to skim through it.

I do not condone violence of any sort, and I am not happy with what goes on in our prisons.

But many posters are fretting about how convicted people like this should be treated in prison. My answer would be - locked up 24/7, no mixing, no visitors, basic needs met, that's all.

I think 'do righters' is a more accurate description of some of the Posters.
And yes, I have a lot of sympathy for Prison Wardens.

You are entitled to your opinions about capital punishment as I am entitled to mine.
I don’t want to walk on the same earth as these depraved monsters. Sorry if I come across as being hard, truly I am not!

I don't agree with capital punishment either MT62

It’s also not about sympathy for Huntley.

There's also someone else who suffers who we don't think of.
His mother

www.thesun.co.uk/news/38362495/ian-huntleys-mum-hopes-soham-monster-dies-jail-attack/

MT62

foxie48

"Sorry I wish I could be a do gooder when it comes to the likes of Huntley & the likes of him, but it turns my stomach when I think what those girls went through"

I don't think anyone on this thread has sympathy for Huntley or feels anything but complete revulsion for what he did. What we are discussing is how convicted people should be treated in prison. I and many others on this thread do not think it's acceptable for prisoners to be attacked by fellow prisoners. That does not make us "do gooders" it means we do not agree with the lynch mob mentality that some seem to have.

I don’t agree with the lynch mob either, If he had been given a lethal injection we wouldn’t be here now, would we!

We don’t have the death penalty. State killing is wrong. Look at the USA, high murder rate so it’s no deterrent as well as being wrong,

I am talking about murderers who take great delight in the crimes they have committed.
It physically makes me sick to hear about it.
I am a decent person I will add, but not when it comes to these sick monsters.
I am sorry I don’t have an ounce of sympathy for this Huntley guy.
I’ll save my sympathy for the victims & his mother.

Allira - as you say DNA is not infallible and of course, people are convicted of murder without it. Sally Clarke was convicted using misleading expert witness evidence, non- disclosure of forensic evidence and completely wrong statistical interpretation . In the Lucy Letby case, some are seeing similar issues. I know IH’s guilt is not disputed but it does mean we have regularly over the years imprisoned innocent people accused of murdering children who some of you think it would be fine to attack.

Maremia

One of the 'problems' with capital punishment is that the courts can get it wrong.
They are looking again at the 40 plus years ago 'Bambi' murders.

And the police. That’s why I could never vote for the death penalty.

MT62

Maremia

One of the 'problems' with capital punishment is that the courts can get it wrong.
They are looking again at the 40 plus years ago 'Bambi' murders.

DNA evidence is quite good these days. Huntleys DNA was all over those two little girls.
Sorry I wish I could be a do gooder when it comes to the likes of Huntley & the likes of him, but it turns my stomach when I think what those girls went through 😩

DNA evidence is quite good these days

DNA evidence is an excellent tool in solving crime but it is not infallible.

foxie48

"Sorry I wish I could be a do gooder when it comes to the likes of Huntley & the likes of him, but it turns my stomach when I think what those girls went through"

I don't think anyone on this thread has sympathy for Huntley or feels anything but complete revulsion for what he did. What we are discussing is how convicted people should be treated in prison. I and many others on this thread do not think it's acceptable for prisoners to be attacked by fellow prisoners. That does not make us "do gooders" it means we do not agree with the lynch mob mentality that some seem to have.

I don’t agree with the lynch mob either, If he had been given a lethal injection we wouldn’t be here now, would we!

‘Do-gooder’ is such a nasty, slimey, unpleasant phrase which speaks volumes about those who use it.

foxie48

"Sorry I wish I could be a do gooder when it comes to the likes of Huntley & the likes of him, but it turns my stomach when I think what those girls went through"

I don't think anyone on this thread has sympathy for Huntley or feels anything but complete revulsion for what he did. What we are discussing is how convicted people should be treated in prison. I and many others on this thread do not think it's acceptable for prisoners to be attacked by fellow prisoners. That does not make us "do gooders" it means we do not agree with the lynch mob mentality that some seem to have.

Thanks foxie, so many of us are making similar comments.
The use of terms like do gooder and suggestion that those of us who want convicted people kept safe somehow care about Huntley and not his victims is offensive as well as wrong

DH long retired often had to deal with prisoners who were well cared for regardless of their crime however nauseating. They were given a side ward and tv and police guard on the door. He was usually told of their crime ,some prisoners enjoyed telling him what they had done. DH is very stoical ,phlegmatic undramatic sort but I will always remember the day he was asked to see someone in the prison and he came home and poured himself a neat scotch ,saying simply that he had been in the presence of evil. I think prison officers have a dreadful job especially places like frankland. If it is true that Huntley did order a football shirt like that then I’m astonished it was allowed. His poor mother is equivocal about him .

"Sorry I wish I could be a do gooder when it comes to the likes of Huntley & the likes of him, but it turns my stomach when I think what those girls went through"

I don't think anyone on this thread has sympathy for Huntley or feels anything but complete revulsion for what he did. What we are discussing is how convicted people should be treated in prison. I and many others on this thread do not think it's acceptable for prisoners to be attacked by fellow prisoners. That does not make us "do gooders" it means we do not agree with the lynch mob mentality that some seem to have.

Maremia

One of the 'problems' with capital punishment is that the courts can get it wrong.
They are looking again at the 40 plus years ago 'Bambi' murders.

DNA evidence is quite good these days. Huntleys DNA was all over those two little girls.
Sorry I wish I could be a do gooder when it comes to the likes of Huntley & the likes of him, but it turns my stomach when I think what those girls went through 😩

One of the 'problems' with capital punishment is that the courts can get it wrong.
They are looking again at the 40 plus years ago 'Bambi' murders.

I've read up on this and those little girls must have been absolutely terrified. He also pleaded guilty to 'accidentally' killing them. Dumped their bodies in a ditch and changed the bedding at his home. His hair was found near where he dumped them, and their clothes in a bin where he worked. There is no doubt he killed them. I hope he dies too. My DGD is the same age so perhaps that's why I wish him dead.

If the system had only euthanised the likes of Huntley, we wouldn’t be having this conversation today- maybe on capital punishment for sure.

I suspect in prison, child rapists and murderers are considered the lowest of the low.
I would not condone violence in any situation but karma does often prevail. Perhaps being incarcerated rather than suffering physical pain, does not equate to adequate retribution in the eyes of fellow inmates.