Israel and US hit Iran

Meandrogrog

Casdon

Oreo

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That’s funny as I haven’t denied it, and however much noise you make about it a very good proportion of women in Iran do want change and have been very brave to protest.Many have been beaten and tortured and raped and killed when they protested too.

Of course they do, and I haven’t denied that! As I said, it’s pointless discussing something that is as clear this is. People vary in their views. Wow.

But you dont seem to be all for the POTUS wanting to destroy this evil regime.

That is because most of the world except Putin, Trump snd Netanyahu respect the law. Sovereign equality - a vital principle.

The bully boys?

Not so much.

Apparently the soldiers are being told this is a religious war to bring about the coming of Jesus.

So far, over 200 soldiers have filed complaints.

www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2026/03/mrff-inundated-with-complaints-of-gleeful-commanders-telling-troops-iran-war-is-part-of-gods-divine-plan-to-usher-in-the-return-of-jesus-christ/

Casdon

Oreo

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That’s funny as I haven’t denied it, and however much noise you make about it a very good proportion of women in Iran do want change and have been very brave to protest.Many have been beaten and tortured and raped and killed when they protested too.

Of course they do, and I haven’t denied that! As I said, it’s pointless discussing something that is as clear this is. People vary in their views. Wow.

But you dont seem to be all for the POTUS wanting to destroy this evil regime.

Oreo

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That’s funny as I haven’t denied it, and however much noise you make about it a very good proportion of women in Iran do want change and have been very brave to protest.Many have been beaten and tortured and raped and killed when they protested too.

Of course they do, and I haven’t denied that! As I said, it’s pointless discussing something that is as clear this is. People vary in their views. Wow.

That said, it’s not simply the uselessness of Starmer but more importantly the failures of the past 20 years of the Tories. They have the greatest blame to bear really.

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That’s funny as I haven’t denied it, and however much noise you make about it a very good proportion of women in Iran do want change and have been very brave to protest.Many have been beaten and tortured and raped and killed when they protested too.

Oreo

I have given up on Starmer on all fronts.

Seems the UK is all about benefits but defence of the realm?
Not so much.

Oreo

Do they murder the women in their thousands if they’re considered disrespectful Casdon?

I imagine that they murder them individually Oreo. That’s not the point though. However much noise you make about it, it doesn’t change the fact that some women think differently to the way you are trying to project that they do or should. They are individuals, like we are. It’s pointless to deny that is the case.

Oreo

It seems to me that posters are so incensed by anything that Donald Trump does that they consider even the right things that he and the US do as wrong.Which is a mistake.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Not tolerating any more nonsense from the Iranian regime is absolutely the right thing to do.

Yes agree with every word.

Oreo

I have given up on Starmer on all fronts.

Yes me too.

Fallingstar

I feel desperately sad for the Iranian people, they were duped into thinking this war was all about regime change, but now Trump isn’t even talking about that, looks like he is bored with regime change and is switching to something else until that something else morphs into something else entirely.
This doesn’t inspire anyone but does terrify other nations caught up in this. Already the region is on fire. A good reason why previous presidents didn’t want to start such a conflagration.
Now it is hard to say when or how this will end. Certainly more innocent lives will be lost. And the dreams of liberation that tasted so sweet will rapidly become a nightmare.

They weren’t duped at all.
Trump told them from day one ( Saturday) that their future was in their own hands.
What Israel and the US are doing is setting the scene for regime change of some kind, even if it isn’t democracy.

It seems to me that posters are so incensed by anything that Donald Trump does that they consider even the right things that he and the US do as wrong.Which is a mistake.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Not tolerating any more nonsense from the Iranian regime is absolutely the right thing to do.

I feel desperately sad for the Iranian people, they were duped into thinking this war was all about regime change, but now Trump isn’t even talking about that, looks like he is bored with regime change and is switching to something else until that something else morphs into something else entirely.
This doesn’t inspire anyone but does terrify other nations caught up in this. Already the region is on fire. A good reason why previous presidents didn’t want to start such a conflagration.
Now it is hard to say when or how this will end. Certainly more innocent lives will be lost. And the dreams of liberation that tasted so sweet will rapidly become a nightmare.

Do they murder the women in their thousands if they’re considered disrespectful Casdon?

There’s a big movement in the USA for what they call trad wives, who see their role as being to serve men. Of course for most of us, it’s abhorrent, but we have to recognise that there are two sides to every coin, and none of us can speak for everybody. Denying the facts doesn’t change anything.

Meandrogrog

Casdon

But that proves my point Meandrogrog, doesn’t it? Some Iranian women support the regime, some strongly oppose it. That’s exactly what I said in response to your point that they would all be out celebrating in the streets. They are just like us, all thinking differently, so don’t blanket them all into one box.

I find it hard to believe that us women are not all 100% behind trying to liberateIranian women! I wont get started on what I think is happening in the UK!

Yes, and the amazing thing is, some women support Donald Trump! I mean, how can they? I wont get started on what I think is happening in the US!

I have given up on Starmer on all fronts.

Stephen Barrett, Barrister, on you tube 42 minutes ago,"Starmer is wrong". Very interesting. Although I'm very sure the nays, along with Starmer won't agree.

Of course there will be some women not happy and weeping and wailing about the evil old ayatollahs.Maybe religious extremists or brainwashed all their lives.
The younger women and younger men are celebrating where it’s safe to do so.
I hope it will result in regime change for them as they have suffered so much but the main thing is stopping Iran from its nuclear aspirations which were well on the way.
Destroying ballistic missile stashes and IRG bases and so on and the nuclear sites and ships are the objectives.
Iran lashing out in the region is going against it too.

Casdon

But that proves my point Meandrogrog, doesn’t it? Some Iranian women support the regime, some strongly oppose it. That’s exactly what I said in response to your point that they would all be out celebrating in the streets. They are just like us, all thinking differently, so don’t blanket them all into one box.

I find it hard to believe that us women are not all 100% behind trying to liberateIranian women! I wont get started on what I think is happening in the UK!

I don't see an end objective to this war, regime change, removing nuclear capability, end terrorism, all seem distant hopes

Me neither.
I keep having to remind myself why it was supposedly started.

Then I looked back at old threads on here.
Venezuela
Greenland
And somewhere else I have forgotten.

As I said upthread, I am not convinced the "war" will still be going in 1 month[on the US "side"].

Trump seems to go in.
Then retreats, for want of a better word.

He tried to deal with Ukraine.
And Russia.

Then gets bored. Or something.

Exactly as a Casdon says. Some Iranian women support some oppose the regime

But that proves my point Meandrogrog, doesn’t it? Some Iranian women support the regime, some strongly oppose it. That’s exactly what I said in response to your point that they would all be out celebrating in the streets. They are just like us, all thinking differently, so don’t blanket them all into one box.

I don't see an end objective to this war, regime change, removing nuclear capability, end terrorism, all seem distant hopes.
It's being reported that Iran opened the nuclear talks with the statement that " we intend to continue enriching uranium for peaceful purposes" and they have enough for 11 bombs if they chose to build them. The US and Israel didn't like that and attacked Iran.

If its true that they have that capability Israel will most likely want to stop it, more than just an air campaign to remove or destroy the threat by any means.

Iam64

Casdon

Meandrogrog

Casdon

To a degree, but there are women who accept the current order too, I have no doubt. None of us can speak for everybody else, they are people just like us, and we are poles apart as a group of older, mainly women, on this forum.

Just interested to know who the women are who accept the current order? Do you know of any? I would expect they will be rejoicing in the streets!

Just check it out Meandogrog, that’s what I do.
‘Some women do support the regime, due to religious conviction, traditional values, or ideological alignment with the Islamic Republic's anti-Western stance.
These women, often supporters of the hardline establishment, may participate in pro-hijab rallies, believing in the regime's enforcement of modesty laws.
Support Base: Supporters often advocate for the mandatory hijab (chador) as a symbol of faith and cultural identity.
Active Roles: Some women are active within the regime's structure, working as politicians, in government, or with organizations that support the Islamic Republic's ideology.
Contrast with Resistance: While a base of support exists, it is countered by a large, visible movement of women protesting for rights, defying mandatory hijab laws, and demanding an end to theocratic rule.
Complex Motivations: Support can stem from viewing the regime as a protector against foreign influence, while opposition is fueled by restrictions on personal freedoms, employment, and legal rights.’
AI summary.

Meandogrog, Casdon sets out clearly the reality on the variety of beliefs by women living in what we see as oppressive regimes that show no respect for women as equal citizens. I’m afraid I see your belief that women will be rejoicing as naive. Some would rejoice if it was safe enough to do so. Others would readily support the oppressors

We can all find articles on the internet that support our views. A quick search .i have just made throws up

AI: in summary while a segment if the female population in Iran supports the regime, a strong and visible movement of women actively opposes its policies and advocates for greater rights and freedom.

BBC: iran’s women calling for support. Ipswich actor and comedian omid Djalli says the ‘mothers of Iran’ are now asking for outside help.

The Guardian: iranians are fed up of dictatorship, the exiled female activists daring to dream if a new era,