Israel and US hit Iran

Yes ronib, the situation is both appalling and illegal.

What was the immediate danger to the USA?
What was their justification?

Maremia

What was the immediate danger to the USA?
What was their justification?

They do as they please with their partner, Israel.

The USA has been brought into an illegal war by Israel.

Did Hegsith actually announce that there would be 'no stupid rules of engagement'.
Is that an actual quote?

Maremia

The USA has been brought into an illegal war by Israel.

No, they have chosen to back Israel for years.

Trump could have chosen differently, and so could the American people.

ronib

Trump’s plan to destroy 40 Iranian ministers wouldn’t have worked if Congress had been involved? Surely secrecy was essential for a surprise attack? Appalling though this whole situation is.

It’s possible Trump feared Congress would oppose this dangerous attack on Iran. I suspect that’s why they weren’t asked

I agree with Casdon and others who recognise the fine line KS is managing, I’m relieved Trump is cross with him. I hope KS continues to remind us of the disaster that’s followed previous attempts by western powers for regime change as well as Iraq

Maremia

Did Hegsith actually announce that there would be 'no stupid rules of engagement'.
Is that an actual quote?

Yup. It's an actual quote.

If you google the phrase you'll find it being reported very widely in all sorts of media.

Iran supports Hamas. Hamas attacked Israel in October 2023 and the rules of engagement were?

ronib

Iran supports Hamas. Hamas attacked Israel in October 2023 and the rules of engagement were?

Are you honestly suggesting that the leader of a superpower takes a leaf out of their book?

ronib

Iran supports Hamas. Hamas attacked Israel in October 2023 and the rules of engagement were?

If this wasn't so deeply , deeply worrying and sickening, that would be comedic.

I am honestly suggesting that the rules of engagement were for a past time. The enemy doesn’t acknowledge rules does it?

There are no rules of engagement for terrorists but I don't believe the US are terrorists.
They have acted illegally but not the same as the attack on Israel.

ronib

I am honestly suggesting that the rules of engagement were for a past time. The enemy doesn’t acknowledge rules does it?

The foundation of a civilised country is to obey the law, both nationally and internationally. So the rules of engagement are essential as is obeying international laws during wartime.
If we are ripping this up then am afraid this world will go to hell on a handcart.
How rogue nations behave or how terrorist organisations behave does not require us to behave similarly.

I am afraid it does Fallingstar. Afraid.

Am sorry ronib but must agree to disagree on that. You obviously feel very strongly about this and believe me I can’t even begin to imagine how dreadful the Hamas attack on innocent Israelis was. But I fear there will be more not less such attacks after Trump and Netanyahu’s actions against Iran. Surely the aim is to make the region safer. Right now and am sure for a long time into the future innocent people living in Israel are not going to feel safe, far from it.

Innocent people in Iran too don’t forget…

Innocent people in Iran are still under the rule of the Regime.
That rancid old man may be gone, but his system is resilient.
Innocent people in Iran may not all be happy about his assassination.
In fact, possibly more than half of the population support the regime, including women.
If you cast your mind back to those assaults on the women and girls showing their hair in public, their assailants were women.

Well yes women do sometimes collude in horrific oppression.

A really good interview with Lyse Doucet, where she explains the complexity and entrenchment in all of of the layers of control in the Regime.

Think they more than 'collude. I get the impression, as with female enforcers in ISIS, that they are part of a system they fully endorse.

Of course it is Maremia, women enforcers fully support the regime.
Trump seems incapable of understanding that many Iranians do support the oppressive regime. He’s a dangerous fool

ronib

I am honestly suggesting that the rules of engagement were for a past time. The enemy doesn’t acknowledge rules does it?

Well said.
Where Iran is concerned this action is absolutely the right thing to do and I wish it had been done earlier.
The regime is evil both where its own people are concerned and so many countries that it pays and supplies arms to its proxies to bring death and destruction to.
With a country like Iran no need for worrying if it’s illegal or not, that’s laughable. Do it now, and fast.

Iam64

Of course it is Maremia, women enforcers fully support the regime.
Trump seems incapable of understanding that many Iranians do support the oppressive regime. He’s a dangerous fool

Religious fanatics and those that lead a good life paid for by the regime love it, no doubts.

There was no threat to the USA. Saying so was lying to his own people.