Israel and US hit Iran

Smileless2012

Yes, I understand that Casdon but I agree with GG13 and doubt that Iran will understand or care about the difference, seeing this as the UK's support for the USA against them.

Starmer has said the defence would include attacking Irans missile bases to prevent missiles being launched.

If that’s the case Smileless2012, the Uk needs to be plain that it will join with the USA and fight back against Iran. If we have the troops, weapons and equipment. Iran is going to attack us so best respond?

Yes, I understand that Casdon but I agree with GG13 and doubt that Iran will understand or care about the difference, seeing this as the UK's support for the USA against them.

Thanks Casdon for the explanation!

To avoid any confusion, which appears to be happening, about what exactly the UK has permitted, here is the position.

After initially refusing, the UK government agreed to allow US bombers and other aircraft to use UK bases for "specific and limited defensive purposes" to protect allies in the Gulf from Iranian retaliation. The UK stated this action does not constitute wider involvement in the conflict.

Case-by-Case Basis: The UK government has emphasized that permission to use bases for operational purposes is not automatic, but rather considered on a case-by-case basis.

Broader European Cooperation: While individual nations control their own soil, many European states (including France and Germany) have joined the UK in a joint stance that supports "enabling" necessary and proportionate defensive action against Iran, a shift that signals broader support for US actions in the region.

Which is why permission shouldn't have been given WWM.

Funny isn't it how Trump keeps mouthing off about America not needing anyone else, until it does of course.

Are we allowing the USA to use the air basis in Cyprus?

Then I guess Iran is perfectly entitled to defend itself against the USA.

A base in Cyprus has been attacked. The Brits are now in the target area.

AGAA4

The pentagon has told Congress no sign that Iran were going to attack the US first. Reuters.
So not defensive action.

Indeed.

Totally illegal

The pentagon has told Congress no sign that Iran were going to attack the US first. Reuters.
So not defensive action.

I really fear the dire consequences of what is happening. I doubt very much that Trump has an idea what kind of maelstrom he is causing and how this is causing death and destruction which will not only affect innocent Iranians but innocents in the whole ME region.
Certainly this kind of attack on Iran needed far more discussion and permission from major players who will now be dragged into this maelstrom. Imho both Trump and Netanyahu have approached this blindly, simply hoping Iran would roll over. That is hardly likely to happen and now we have a major catastrophe on our hands and we will all be affected by this.
Nor do I believe the Iranian people will be liberated by this. Not that I think that was actually the US and Israel’s aim at all, according to Trump is all about their nuclear ambitions though he has previously boasted that they wiped out any nuclear capabilities during air strikes before.
What an unholy mess.

GrannyGravy13

Maremia

Yes David with all of this extreme skill and precision, why was a girls' school taken out?
Girls have no power in Iran.

There are unconfirmed claims on the internet that the girls school bombing was not Israel/USA but Iranian Forces.

Unconfirmed, but nothing would surprise me.

If the bombing in Iran is so precise that they can pinpoint government officers in meetings, why attack a school?

Indeed. But somehow these precise missiles are frequently attracted to schools, hospitals, universities etc.

Funny that.

Won’t be long before Trumps son-in-law is busy in Iran making deals for the family’s next squillion.

People killed and maimed? Who cares.

Casdon

This sums it up for me. The backlash is entirely predictable, and there’s no plan evident. The seat of Trump’s pants is on fire.
news.sky.com/story/anxious-allies-are-demanding-trumps-team-shows-it-has-a-plan-for-iran-13514014

No plan. Currently it looks like Trump wants to force current regime leaders to cooperate. Huge military to back them as we have seen still shooting demonstrators. A military dictatorship? terrific, so democratic. Destruction of the infrastructure, and therefore medical matters and food supplies in danger.

Where are the plans, and where is the money, to rebuild?

Believe me, not all Iranians in the UK support the invasion, at all Wait till one of their sisters, or brothers, or mum or dad, get killed.

My Iranian friend sees it as "one tyrant kills another' and above all there is no viable apposition to step in at all -no existing organisation, no leaders

Trump has yet again given no thoughts to consequences and this matters. You bomb a people to bits, and expect them to say, "oh thank you" when they have no food or facilities.

Remember people out on the streets dancing and celebrating the removal of Saddam Hussein, weren't they? Look what happened there.

GrannyGravy13

Maremia

Yes David with all of this extreme skill and precision, why was a girls' school taken out?
Girls have no power in Iran.

There are unconfirmed claims on the internet that the girls school bombing was not Israel/USA but Iranian Forces.

Unconfirmed, but nothing would surprise me.

If the bombing in Iran is so precise that they can pinpoint government officers in meetings, why attack a school?

Accuracy is not guaranteed the weapons can malfunction or get damaged by defenders so no guarantees, also unconfirmed damage to schools and hospitals was widely used as propaganda in Gaza

Maremia

Yes GG13 the 'nuance' will be lost on them, I guess.

AC in the Forces, wasn’t looking forward to going into work this morning, that I do know 😿

Yes GG13 the 'nuance' will be lost on them, I guess.

This sums it up for me. The backlash is entirely predictable, and there’s no plan evident. The seat of Trump’s pants is on fire.
news.sky.com/story/anxious-allies-are-demanding-trumps-team-shows-it-has-a-plan-for-iran-13514014

Maremia

Wonder how the people in the USA feel about not being consulted?

Probably the same as us here in the U.K. on hearing Keir Starmer’s announcement last night.

I doubt if Iran will notice the difference that U.K. bases are going to be used for defensive as opposed to offensive operations.

Wonder how the people in the USA feel about not being consulted?

I think from now on if I engage with this topic, I will listen to experts and those with lived experience. Not people with their own agenda making sweeping statements.

I am not happy that UK is assisting in this illegal war, especially without consulting parliament.

We just become a target. And completely unnecessarily.

Maremia

Yes David with all of this extreme skill and precision, why was a girls' school taken out?
Girls have no power in Iran.

There are unconfirmed claims on the internet that the girls school bombing was not Israel/USA but Iranian Forces.

Unconfirmed, but nothing would surprise me.

If the bombing in Iran is so precise that they can pinpoint government officers in meetings, why attack a school?

Iran’s regime is responsible for funding and helping terrorist organisations plan and execute many terrorist attacks around the world.

They must be prevented from having a nuclear capability, especially now with the so called smart bombs smaller and more precise.

They have been bombing Israel for years, Iran funds Hezbollah and Hamas, both of which have been attacking Israel for many years.

I am not a fan of the Israeli Government, nor the current POTUS, but, if they are able to rid the world of this threat and make it a safer place for us all, I will take my hat off to them.

Unfortunately at this present moment in time, I think we are all in more danger.

Well we've already seen the results of the US actions in other countries when they have been able to out bomb and destroy people and infrastructure but not been in control of the situation. The US didn't achieve it's aims then and I'm concerned that it won't in Iran either but who knows, Trump certainly doesn't. I just hope the Iranian people don't end up in a worse position than they already were.