Israel and US hit Iran

GrannyGravy13

I haven’t seen any pro Iran posts on this thread.

There are (in my opinion) numerous anti Israel and USA posts.

It’s almost as if some are willing (nearly relishing) the USA and Israel to fail…

I think that the US and Israel had a great deal of support and willing allies before the past couple of years. Right now I think opinions worldwide of both countries have reached an all time low, with western governments as well.
And both in the US and Israel there is increasing distrust and dislike of their leaders.

Think it's going to be down to who controls the Revolutionary Guards, and which side they take.

Anniebach

The people of Iran are celebrating

Some are celebrating. Some, according to the BBC website when I looked at it earlier today, are mourning the loss of their spiritual leader. (though I note that that story is no longer easy to find on the web site)

There are two sides to every story.

There did seem to be large numbers in Iran mourning the death of the Ayatollah. BBC showed this earlier today.
Seems unbelievable but they were there.

The US can't put "boots on the ground" to support a regime change and there is no organised opposition to the present regime. 30K protesters were killed following the previous US strikes. The Iranian people have been oppressed since 1979, they don't have access to weapons, a huge percentage of them rely on being employed by the current regime. Despite most Iranians wanting change, they are diverse in their opinion of what that change should be. I fear that many more thousands are going to lose their lives, the current regime will hold onto power but with different leaders who may be even more hard line initially. Trump carried out this attack whilst in negotiation with Iran, who would trust him now? IMO it's a typical poorly thought out Trump mess with no clear objectives and therefore no clear end point and it is the Iranian people who will suffer terrible consequences for his actions.

GrannyGravy13

I haven’t seen any pro Iran posts on this thread.

There are (in my opinion) numerous anti Israel and USA posts.

It’s almost as if some are willing (nearly relishing) the USA and Israel to fail…

Not willing/relishing their failing but just judging the high likelihood of failing based on long and bitter experience. The leaders of both countries are corrupt self serving narcissists who care nothing for anyone except themselves .

Anniebach

The people of Iran are celebrating

That doesn’t mean that they welcome Israel or the USA. Both things can be and are true

I read that the people of Columbia also celebrated.

We can only hope WhiteWave.
Has the FLOTUS given her speech at the UN yet?

The people of Iran are celebrating

Look at the USA’s record.

Korea
Vietnam
Cuba
Libya
Iraq
Afghanistan
The coup in Iran
Guatemala
Chile
Somalia

Not a single one with a good outcome, in fact some are worse off.

Why on Earth would anyone think that this will be any different.

Casdon

If it was a considered action that was endorsed by Congress and the rationale, consequences for Iran and the surrounding countries explained, and had it been communicated clearly in advance I’d be inclined to agree Galaxy, but it wasn’t. Trump considering something for a period does not mean the action is sensible, far from it,

Well yes, WMD was a considered act of congress, so was Vietnam both went well didnt they, the US has done rather badly at winning wars since WW2 whether they are approved by congress or not.

Oreo

Oh but they very much did want the US to interfere! How else could possible regime change come about when the IRG and police murder those who openly oppose the regime.
The outcome is unclear as civil war is a possibility but it’s better than no hope at all for them.
For the rest of the world if Iran is damaged enough economically and militarily and cannot pursue nuclear capability and ballistic missiles destroyed, and also cannot fund the many terrorist groups in the region such as hamas and hezbollah that will be a good outcome.

Oreo, yes, but maybe out of the Islamist frying pan into the US -style fire.

Perhaps Trump,, Netanyahu and Co are not so much concerned with keeping US and Israel safe from Islamist bombs as they are with colonising the natural resources of the Middle East.

Same as the Iraq offensive.

Agree with you GrannyGravy; some posters who never miss an opportunity.

I want an end that is good for the Iranians.

But Israel, nor the USA are imo capable of achieving this, because they are not going into this war with this as their primary motive.

Their record is utterly abysmal. Nothing gives me confidence that they will achieve a good outcome.

But if they do - then I will be the first to applaud them.

Oops posted prematurely

The world doesn’t need or want a strong Iran with nuclear capability and continuous support for terrorist organisations.

Things were intolerable for most in Iran so they are desperate for change so will have welcomed the intervention by the US but what next?
Trump will just leave them to get on with it and another brutal regime could well spring up.

I haven’t seen any pro Iran posts on this thread.

There are (in my opinion) numerous anti Israel and USA posts.

It’s almost as if some are willing (nearly relishing) the USA and Israel to fail…

A very likely scenario.

The revolutionary guard are still in control.

AGAA4

There will be many lives lost.

If there is a regime change then perhaps it will be a good thing but we don't know yet how this will play out.

The armed police/militias who supported the Islamic regime in Iran may well make a coup and resume control by Shia Islamists with one of their own to head it.

Oh but they very much did want the US to interfere! How else could possible regime change come about when the IRG and police murder those who openly oppose the regime.
The outcome is unclear as civil war is a possibility but it’s better than no hope at all for them.
For the rest of the world if Iran is damaged enough economically and militarily and cannot pursue nuclear capability and ballistic missiles destroyed, and also cannot fund the many terrorist groups in the region such as hamas and hezbollah that will be a good outcome.

Starmer is right to keep the UK out of this. Trump has taken a huge gamble which as history has told us usually doesn't end well.
He has no plan for what happens next so this could end in chaos.

The Iranian regime has been brutal and a danger to the west but I'm not sure this war is the way forward.

nanna8

In Sydney the Iranians are throwing a big party and cheering together because that murderous man is dead. He has killed. hundreds of people . If you support someone like that then why not go and live under his regime? Totally and utterly disgusted that anyone thinks the regime in Iran was good and should just be left to prosper. I am horrified by comments here.

Well I’m clearly on a different thread. I’ve seen no posts supporting the current regime or saying that it is good and should be left to prosper. Comments about the legality of the action or the fact that previous actions in the ME have led to long term issues or opinions that T and N are not to be trusted and act in their own best interests do not equate with support.

I have heard nothing about the fate of the hundreds, thousands of people imprisoned after the recent protests. Usually following a coup or uprising the prisons are stormed/opened and prisoners freed, but if the IRGC retains power it appears very likely that there will be reprisals on those imprisoned.

If it backfires - this could end up with thousands upon thousands of innocent Iranians being put to death, alongside thousands upon thousands becoming refugees seeking asylum.

The risks are enormous, and the Iranians are taking the full burden of these risks - unasked for.

Yes, of course they want rid of the evil regime, but they need to know that there is a plan that ensures a peaceful transition. They certainly don’t want Israel or the USA to interfere.

The opposition is completely split from the north to the south of Iran.

Nothing points to a successful transition. The USA has never in its history succeeded in getting a successful regime change.

The most likely scenario is that Iran will be tipped into all out civil war.