Regime Change??

Israel Cossy just mentioning this as so many posters spell it wrongly.👍🏻
It isn’t all about helping Iranian people who are desperate for regime change really, tho it would be wonderful for them if they got an even halfway decent government out of this.
It’s about Iran and nuclear capabilities and ballistic missiles and funding terrorists all over the world.Iran’s regime is a scourge on the world and in particular the Middle East.

Oops, thanks Oreo, far fingers and slow fingers! Spelling normally ok.

I just feel it’s so disingenuous of Trump to state and continuously repeat, that this is for the Iranian people.

It never was about helping the Iranian people so why did Trump lie, and say it was? It isn't about Iran being a threat to America, so why did Trump lie and say it was and it isn't about Iran's regime being a scourge on the world and in particular the Middle East.

It's all about what Netanyahu wants and his ability to play Trump even better than Putin does.

• fat not far!!! See?? Grrrrrr

Smileless2012

It never was about helping the Iranian people so why did Trump lie, and say it was? It isn't about Iran being a threat to America, so why did Trump lie and say it was and it isn't about Iran's regime being a scourge on the world and in particular the Middle East.

It's all about what Netanyahu wants and his ability to play Trump even better than Putin does.

Yup! That’s what I believe!

Smileless2012

It never was about helping the Iranian people so why did Trump lie, and say it was? It isn't about Iran being a threat to America, so why did Trump lie and say it was and it isn't about Iran's regime being a scourge on the world and in particular the Middle East.

It's all about what Netanyahu wants and his ability to play Trump even better than Putin does.

I believe this too.

Even if we coukd credit DT and BN with wanting regime change as opposed to Gaza like destruction, it does beg the question of if you can impose democracy. In the ME only Israel is a democracy. Tunisia, Turkey Lebanon Kuwait and Jordan have some democratic features but the rest are authoritarian regimes with appalling human and civil rights records. I just think it’s very limiting to think that you can just come along and impose democracy and even to expect that ‘the people’ would automatically want that It’s a very ethnocentric view of the world. We’ve only had an OK democratic system for less than 100 years after all.

The simple fact is that there is not an example of regime change followed by a democratic choice for the people taking place via bombs being dropped on a country. Democracy cannot be bombed into being.
And as you said Cossy there needs to be a robust alternative to the regime waiting in the wings, and popular with the majority of Iranian people for a successful transition of power to take place. Otherwise will be a vacuum within which chaos will reign as it did in Iraq and possibly give rise to another group of extremists like ISIS.
Right now Trump and Netanyahu are just intent upon bombing Iran to eradicate what they see as a thorn in the side of both nations. It doesn’t have to be about nuclear weapons, indeed Trump said that Iran’s nuclear capability was wiped out during clinical strikes last year, but it is a suitable excuse. And now the whole region is in turmoil and will be for a considerable time.
But in all of this I think of those Iranians dancing in Tehran when the Supreme leader fell. Those poor innocent people who have traded being killed by the regime for being killed wholesale by the US and Israel.
Is this how they thought it would play out?
We must never forget lives lost on all sides. If we lose sight of that, like Trump and Netanyahu, we lose our humanity.

I do not think Trump has a clue what his reason for invading Iran was. As Cossy say, it is about Israel and its supposed protection. And, as also pointed out. There is no one, witha lot of public support and proven track record in opposition, in the country or out, to take over. The last Shah's son, pleasant man but no history of other than mild opposition. Someone in the country. The way things are going the next leader could be worse rather than better.

If he wanted to change a ghastly regime and release it's people, why didn't he go for North Korea?

They tried regime change in 1979. That didn’t go well, did it 🤷‍♀️

Smileless2012

It never was about helping the Iranian people so why did Trump lie, and say it was? It isn't about Iran being a threat to America, so why did Trump lie and say it was and it isn't about Iran's regime being a scourge on the world and in particular the Middle East.

It's all about what Netanyahu wants and his ability to play Trump even better than Putin does.

This - no question

Smileless2012

It never was about helping the Iranian people so why did Trump lie, and say it was? It isn't about Iran being a threat to America, so why did Trump lie and say it was and it isn't about Iran's regime being a scourge on the world and in particular the Middle East.

It's all about what Netanyahu wants and his ability to play Trump even better than Putin does.

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Agree also Smileless, for some reason I can’t quote anymore, does anyone know why??

The Times headline today is stating that Trump wants to help choose their next leader. So much for giving the power to the people of Iran

“A better way of helping these people from within…”

Any bright ideas the Iranians themselves hadn’t thought of? When protesters against the dictatorship have been routinely thrown into prison or just shot?

So very true Smileless.
BN went in all “guns” blazing and DT thought he had no choice but to follow. Rubio admitted this.
DT also more or less admitted all the potential future leaders had now been killed. Hinting that this was down to BN’s gung ho bombing of everything in sight.

Smileless you are spot on. This is all about Israel. They've sorted out Gaza by razing it to the ground and killing thousands of their people now they are doing the same to Iran aided and abetted by the easily manipulated Trump.

AGAA4

Smileless you are spot on. This is all about Israel. They've sorted out Gaza by razing it to the ground and killing thousands of their people now they are doing the same to Iran aided and abetted by the easily manipulated Trump.

As Iran has a population of some 90 million, as opposed to Gaza, with only (before the 'war') fewer than 2 million, Iran looks to be a tough nut to crack in terms of obliterating the population...

Gaza had very little means to defend itself and few friends whereas Iran does and also has some very powerful allies.

I agree; where have we ever been successful in bombing another country into a democracy? Personally I think Trump is using this as a distraction because of the Epstein saga, I also think he is unwell and not of sound mind, and that's despite the narcissistic self serving emotionally devoid human being he actually is. He doesn't give a shit about the Iranian people. Too much world power is now held by a few billionaires.

Miffy1606

I agree; where have we ever been successful in bombing another country into a democracy? Personally I think Trump is using this as a distraction because of the Epstein saga, I also think he is unwell and not of sound mind, and that's despite the narcissistic self serving emotionally devoid human being he actually is. He doesn't give a shit about the Iranian people. Too much world power is now held by a few billionaires.

I completely agree, except I’d simply say “he doesn’t give a shit about any people”

Sad and tragic times, again 😰

There are three very powerful and destructive men just now all trying to avoid arrest for various reasons. (DT, BN and VP). They have a vested interest on keeping this cruel chaos going. They are all elderly and arguably have nothing to lose. They are extremely dangerous to this planet and I sincerely hope they don’t come anywhere near to red buttons.