There are Plan B routes foxie48, but they are limited.
www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/03/04/what-are-europes-oil-route-alternatives-to-the-strait-of-hormuz
Good Morning Wednesday 19th August2026
First of all, this is not an anti-semitic post, I have no issues with the Jewish faith or with the people of Israel, I do , however, have huge issues with Netanyahu and his current government. Below is taken from today's Washington Post and outlines what Trump has agreed to during his first term and to date in his second term. IMO, the war being conducted in Iran ATM is basically to Netanyahu's and Israel's benefit, not really to the benefit of the US. So why does Trump act as he does? Surely it's not just to appease American Jews as it is alienating far more American voters?
"Through five years in the White House, Trump answered some of their biggest prayers. He moved the American Embassy to Jerusalem, recognized Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights and ripped up the Iran nuclear deal. U.N. funding for Palestinian refugees was gutted. Jewish settlers in the West Bank, once condemned by Washington, are now getting their own U.S. passport office."
There are Plan B routes foxie48, but they are limited.
www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/03/04/what-are-europes-oil-route-alternatives-to-the-strait-of-hormuz
David The US guaranteed to keep the Straits of Hormuz open to shipping, it was mentioned in the Briefing Room, BBC Radio 4 this afternoon, but I can't remember which president guaranteed this. This is why there have been no plan B routes constructed, countries have relied on the US to do as was promised. If the US didn't have a plan, why did they make the promise and why did they start a war knowing that Iran could easily stop the oil shipments?
Concerned that ISIS feels confident enough to openly make threats.
This war has been a mega recruitment drive for them.
So, who has it helped?
He has never cared about ordinary American citizens.
"when oil prices go up, we make a lot of money" I guess the "we" refers to his oil producing mates, not the American citizens.
It’s a good job there are alternative routes out of the gulf states for oil, albeit with less capacity currently.
foxie48
I don't think it will be easy for Trump to stop this war. Netanyahu will want to destroy as much of Iran and Lebanon as he can and keep the war going as long as he can. It's proving popular with many Israelis and may mean he delay the elections. Also the Iranian regime are currently playing a very strong suit by stopping shipping, it will suit them to make Trump's life more difficult even if it means many of their citizens pay the price with their lives. Trump really should have focused on ensuring that he got control of the Strait of Hormuz . This demonstrates how poor the overall planning was, he thought you brought the regime down by cutting off it's head. He should have understood that the regime is totally embedded into the structure of Iran (unlike the regime of Trump and his Maga maniacs)
Controlling the Straits of Hormuz is not easy because Iran has drones, anti ship missiles and small boats, even an RPG or a shoulder launched missile can set a tanker on fire. Iran has many options if they want to stop shipping.
Fallingstar
Israel has always been part of the expansionist plans of the US in the ME.
I am really glad that the Jewish people got a place to call home after the Second World War, that was so important at but am afraid it became the same old story of successive Jewish governments grabbing land and getting rid of Palestinians who have every right to live there too. Which plays well to the US because they are pretty good at getting into wars in the ME, occupying, and killing the innocent citizens there.
I love Israel, have skin in the game, but like countless people of Jewish origin abroad I despise what has happened. It is truly criminal but at the same time sadly predictable inasmuch as it shows no people are immune to the corrupting influence of power and greed.
Are Israelis corrupted by power and greed? Or is it genuinely a feeling that they are persecuted & hated by their neighbours, without the insight to see that they have shamelessly bullied their neighbours using limitless american dollars over the past 50 years?
Israelis see it as being hated because they are Jews, whereas it is more likely they are hated because they regard their lives as more important than those of their neighbours, bully their neighbours and might as well be an appendage of the USA in the Middle East,
Why I have TDS :
Trump just said this :
In a Truth Social post, Donald Trump suggested that the skyrocketing price of oil would ultimately be beneficial for Americans, who are already facing increased fuel prices at the pump. “The United States is the largest Oil Producer in the World, by far, so when oil prices go up, we make a lot of money,” the president – who campaigned on bringing down costs – wrote.
AGAA4
Groups like Hamas and Hezbollah will not stop and due to this war more groups like them will spring up as Al Queda did after Iraq.
That’s what I believe will happen as well. This illegal war bares no resemblance to ww2 where the allies joined together to defeat an enemy that was attempting world domination. The US was late to that and only joined after it was attacked.
This illegal war is increasing the risks throughout our world. Who knows what Trump will do next - I don’t expect he knows until his over active brain lands briefly on his next Big Idea and before it leaps on within seconds to his next (brief ) focus
Some of the tactics the Iranians are using are very like the types Putin used in Ukraine. Putin may have a hand in this. BBC news.
I think ISIS have indicated that the World Cup is a target.
I’ve just seen there is an ongoing shooting incident at a synagogue with a school near Detroit too.
I don't think it will be easy for Trump to stop this war. Netanyahu will want to destroy as much of Iran and Lebanon as he can and keep the war going as long as he can. It's proving popular with many Israelis and may mean he delay the elections. Also the Iranian regime are currently playing a very strong suit by stopping shipping, it will suit them to make Trump's life more difficult even if it means many of their citizens pay the price with their lives. Trump really should have focused on ensuring that he got control of the Strait of Hormuz . This demonstrates how poor the overall planning was, he thought you brought the regime down by cutting off it's head. He should have understood that the regime is totally embedded into the structure of Iran (unlike the regime of Trump and his Maga maniacs)
Well he's managed to avoid impeachment so far David so I wouldn't hold your breath. He didn't consult anyone before jumping in with Netanyahu so I doubt he'll consult anyone if he decides to jump out.
Maremia
Trump may soon become bored with the whole 'adventure', especially now that MAGA folk are complaining about 'Israel First' instead of 'America First'.
Now he had started if Trump backs down that is the worst outcome, he has to stay and win the war, since 9/11 we are on alert for attacks and stop dozens each year.
Trump is so unpredictable, it's impossible to preci t the next move.
One thing for sure he will get impeached if he doesnt win, then they get Vance
Groups like Hamas and Hezbollah will not stop and due to this war more groups like them will spring up as Al Queda did after Iraq.
Trump may soon become bored with the whole 'adventure', especially now that MAGA folk are complaining about 'Israel First' instead of 'America First'.
I agree Hamas and Hezbollah and their support must stop. So must Netanyahu (and Trump) stop. The land grabs by Israelis of Palestinian land must stop
Perhaps someone can explain how the current war will achieve this
ronib
Israel will never be safe until Hezbollah and Hamas working with Iran are eradicated from attacking it. In order to stop many years of future wars it’s right to at least try to eradicate the enemy. Israel will never lie down and let any terrorist groups walk over them again. Hamas and Hezbollah must stop.
100% this
Chocolatelovinggran
Indeed, and if you read the Old Testament, you will see that Israel has been quarrelling and fighting with its neighbours for thousands of years .
I am not suggesting that these were one sided fights, by any means, but living in harmony with peoples who do not share your world view has been a problem for folk in the Middle East for a very long time.
Totally agree.
It might have been MayBee70. Not sure how that would have worked either.
Good point Chocolate
Whitewavemark2
I sometimes wonder if it had been far more sensible to carve off a piece of the USA and given it to the Jews, instead of the Middle East.
It would have saved a great deal of hassle for everyone concerned imo.
Wasn’t the initial plan to use an area of Africa?
Indeed, and if you read the Old Testament, you will see that Israel has been quarrelling and fighting with its neighbours for thousands of years .
I am not suggesting that these were one sided fights, by any means, but living in harmony with peoples who do not share your world view has been a problem for folk in the Middle East for a very long time.
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