Meanwhile, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Spain are condemning the USA and Israel for the attacks on Iran.
US troops forced to act on the ground?
It’s been a while so I will start us off…….whats for supper and why?
First of all, this is not an anti-semitic post, I have no issues with the Jewish faith or with the people of Israel, I do , however, have huge issues with Netanyahu and his current government. Below is taken from today's Washington Post and outlines what Trump has agreed to during his first term and to date in his second term. IMO, the war being conducted in Iran ATM is basically to Netanyahu's and Israel's benefit, not really to the benefit of the US. So why does Trump act as he does? Surely it's not just to appease American Jews as it is alienating far more American voters?
"Through five years in the White House, Trump answered some of their biggest prayers. He moved the American Embassy to Jerusalem, recognized Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights and ripped up the Iran nuclear deal. U.N. funding for Palestinian refugees was gutted. Jewish settlers in the West Bank, once condemned by Washington, are now getting their own U.S. passport office."
Meanwhile, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Spain are condemning the USA and Israel for the attacks on Iran.
^And what on earth does Trump mean with "we've won but we've not won enough?"
Enough? How does he dream up this garbage?)^
I suspect he means, he has won[in his head, ego talking], but the reality is he "needs" more done.
The world has never needed calm diplomacy more
I used to think that was all that was needed, when younger.
Many years later, I have learned that calm diplomacy doesnt work in so many cases, and with so many people.
Head and brick wall come to mind.
Not at all saying that Trump should have done what he has done.
Trump is saying the war is won but not enough. Hegseth is talking about very heavy bombing to come.
That sounds more like an ongoing war not that they have won.
I thought Trump’s end goal for Iran was a properly elected government with non clerics in charge? Trump isn’t preselecting the unfortunate person…… that’s Trump’s enough?
Maybe the Israeli PM has something on Trump - a vital but closely guarded piece of evidence in respect of the Epstein scandal, culled by the Israeli Secret Service and kept to one side as a useful bargaining chip?
(And what on earth does Trump mean with "we've won but we've not won enough?"
Enough? How does he dream up this garbage?)
Then there was the old schoolboy joke,
The American Bra - One quick yank and it's off.
Thanks David49 I was trying to think of that quote.
And yes they were always called Yanks. My old dad often bemoaned how the GIs were so flash, with much better made uniforms and winter coats.
An American GI once offered my old mum chewing gum and stockings expecting her to be impressed, she told him that she was married to a wonderful man - my dad - which she wasn’t, at that time they were just stepping out together but when he got wind of this - as the story goes- he promptly proposed.
AGAA4
I remember my family and neighbours just after the war always referred to Americans as Yanks. They didn't like them because of the way they behaved. Yes they did swagger.
Over paid, over sexed and over here. Was often quoted, has it ever changed
I remember my family and neighbours just after the war always referred to Americans as Yanks. They didn't like them because of the way they behaved. Yes they did swagger.
Im sure the pacifists thought animosity would linger in WW2 but afterwards the Germans and Japanese soon realized that daily life had to go on and peace was the future
Agree with Fallingstar and Smiles
Reflecting on Churchill and the Americans in ww2. The consensus in my family was Churchill was dreadful in ww1, was needed in ww2 but not on its conclusion.
America ? Arrogant swaggering GIs and afterwards their belief they’d rescued Europe. Some truth in that of course but currently the US seems to be swaggering
Smileless2012
I think it will take a long time Maremia. It can take years to foster good relationships and moments to destroy them.
I agree that most folk realise he isn't America but he is the elected POTUS for the second time despite being a convicted felon.
Agree.
I think that once that trust is broken it will be very hard to repair.
I remain sympathetic to the genuine fears Israelis and Jewish people in the UK feel. Friends I. Our north Manchester Jewish community talk of Go Bags by their doors and feeling as they did in 1945, that Israel is the onky place they feel safe. They don’t all support Netenyahu but they do fear anti semitism
The world has never needed calm diplomacy more. Instead we have Trump and Netanyahu
Casdon
There is no win scenario though David49. If he ‘succeeds’ all he will achieve is a temporary fix and a lot of even more militant Iranians in the wings.
Iran has caused as much killing as it possibly can in the last decade and more, doing so 10s of thousands have died and has impoverished its population, do you think thats good. Yes there will be hard liners that persist, the moderates will have to deal with them.
You are correct that if the US fails there will be a resurgence in terrorism, remove the leadership of Iran will make it much harder.
People in Gaza are still being killed… 
Silvergirl
Israel is the 51st state of America. They are one and the same. Most people from Israel who are interviewed on tv speak with American accents. It is a shame the extremists on both sides ruin everything for the peaceful majority.
That’s because 10s of thousands study in the USA.
Plus the fact the majority of young people learn English by watching American films.
I think it will take a long time Maremia. It can take years to foster good relationships and moments to destroy them.
I agree that most folk realise he isn't America but he is the elected POTUS for the second time despite being a convicted felon.
They will Fallingstar, if you get the right one.
People will be glad to see the back of him and his minders.
Most folk realise he isn't 'America'.
Maremia
Apparently the affected Arab nations are not pleased that the USA did not protect them, as had been promised, when the bases were originally being negotiated.
The USA has lost face over this.
Some Arab nations advised Trump to desist, and stick to the diplomacy route.
He ignored their advice, then failed to protect them.
This has been noted.
Trump has done a massive amount of damage to international relations with most countries since becoming president. Am not entirely sure that another president could manage to reverse it.
Apparently the affected Arab nations are not pleased that the USA did not protect them, as had been promised, when the bases were originally being negotiated.
The USA has lost face over this.
Some Arab nations advised Trump to desist, and stick to the diplomacy route.
He ignored their advice, then failed to protect them.
This has been noted.
Silvergirl
Israel is the 51st state of America. They are one and the same. Most people from Israel who are interviewed on tv speak with American accents. It is a shame the extremists on both sides ruin everything for the peaceful majority.
This and money.
Politics in general has become more and more about short termism.
Doubt Trump wil care much what is happening in the world in 10 years time.
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