Why does Trump give so much support to Netanyahu and Israel

ronib

Yes it’s time for Iran to stop attacking Israel. There’s no way Israel will accept the current status quo. Another 100 years like this? No thanks.

Don’t you think it’s time both countries stopped attacking each other and in the case of Israel, Gaza?

Terrorism can NEVER be supported, but sometimes it can be understood. One man’s terrorist can be another man’s freedom fighter.

Personally, I’m not an advocate of war, killing or violence, unless as a direct result of real self defence.

What Hamas did was utterly appalling, but Netanyahu is every bit as bad (imo).

In the middle of all these wars are many innocent citizens, Israelis, Iranians, Russians, Ukrainians, Palestinians, and many many others, their leaders appear to think that’s is OK to bomb the crap out of anyone in the name of “peace” or “defence”. It utterly sickens me.

So, the previous regime change by Western powers led to the current repressive Government in Iran.
And now the USA is having another go, despite the fact that there was no imminent threat to them.
No discussion with Congress.
No discussion with the UN.
An illegal, ongoing, destructive war.

foxie48

You can never eradicate terrorist organisations with bombs and guns, you eradicate them by removing the reasons that people support them. Israel went into Lebanon for the third time in 2006, destroyed infrastructure and killed many Lebanese people but it failed to suppress Hezbollah, it just went underground and regrouped!

I completely agree

Yes it’s time for Iran to stop attacking Israel. There’s no way Israel will accept the current status quo. Another 100 years like this? No thanks.

Extremism is fed by western powers attacking Middle Eastern countries

foxie48

What people also seem to forget is the antipathy towards the US of many Iranians because they replaced a democratically elected Prime Minister with the Shah, helped by the UK of course! This led to decades of poor government and the eventual replacement of the Shah with Khomeini as Supreme leader. The US has a very bad record in trying to effect regime change in the Middle East, Trump should have kept his nose out of it but of course, there's money to be made for the chosen few whilst populations world wide pay the price for his meddling.

Maybe the Shah wasn't good decades ago but has Islamic rule helped the population or the economy.
At some stage extremism has got to stop, then everyone benefits.

What people also seem to forget is the antipathy towards the US of many Iranians because they replaced a democratically elected Prime Minister with the Shah, helped by the UK of course! This led to decades of poor government and the eventual replacement of the Shah with Khomeini as Supreme leader. The US has a very bad record in trying to effect regime change in the Middle East, Trump should have kept his nose out of it but of course, there's money to be made for the chosen few whilst populations world wide pay the price for his meddling.

Fallingstar

I agree Cossy. Iran was no threat to the US this has been proved and the antagonism between Iran and Israel has rattled on for decades with both sides as bad as each other. Nor can nuclear weapons be an immediate threat if the US say they destroyed any nuclear capability last year and now I think we know it isn’t about freeing the Iranian people.
There was no need for this war but Netanyahu pushed for it to save his own political skin.

If he is successful it will probably save Trumps skin too

And Trump joined in to save his own political skin.

I agree Cossy. Iran was no threat to the US this has been proved and the antagonism between Iran and Israel has rattled on for decades with both sides as bad as each other. Nor can nuclear weapons be an immediate threat if the US say they destroyed any nuclear capability last year and now I think we know it isn’t about freeing the Iranian people.
There was no need for this war but Netanyahu pushed for it to save his own political skin.

Maremia

Trump has not 'stabilised' the Middle East though, has he?

Trump hasn’t “stabilised” anything, despite his claims! Not the US economy, nor the war in Gaza, the war in Ukraine or now this new war.

He claims he’s not a “war monger”, in my view this is exactly what he is!

A greedy, power grabbing, money motivated war-monger.

Iran was nothing to do with him nor us!

Some people might feel that the emerging Christian Nationalism in the USA is also a form of extremism.

Fallingstar

David I feel you are in another room listening to a very different summary of what has happened historically in the ME and what is happening now.
That isn’t to say that I think you are wrong but I really don’t think you are right either. There are far too many nuances in the ME, it really isn’t as black and white as you paint it to be.

Yes many nuances as you put it, not only in the ME, Sub Saharan Africa, Pakistani and other Islamic states have extremist problems. Removing Iran of the source of not only sponsorship but inspiration for extremism is the obvious first action. Then moderate governments will find it much easier to stop terrorism

MaizieD

AGAA4

David49 said "Arabs need to stop attacking Israel" A bit one sided view as Israel has been and still is attacking Arabs.

Equally, there have been a number of things which Israel should have stopped doing. Like stealing Arab land on the West Bank...

It really does work in both directions.

Yes Maizie the future for Israel has to be different, thats not going to happen until extremism stops.

AGAA4

David49 said "Arabs need to stop attacking Israel" A bit one sided view as Israel has been and still is attacking Arabs.

Equally, there have been a number of things which Israel should have stopped doing. Like stealing Arab land on the West Bank...

It really does work in both directions.

Agree with you David

David49 said "Arabs need to stop attacking Israel" A bit one sided view as Israel has been and still is attacking Arabs.

David I feel you are in another room listening to a very different summary of what has happened historically in the ME and what is happening now.
That isn’t to say that I think you are wrong but I really don’t think you are right either. There are far too many nuances in the ME, it really isn’t as black and white as you paint it to be.

We obviously look at different polls David.
His popularity is tanking.
When a mega MAGA mouth like Marjorie Taylor Greene keeps shouting about 'It's Israel first not America first. He lied', people listen.

The main reason is money, money, money because this buys you power, power, power and then you get to buy the land, land, land.

Greenland didn't bite, Venezuela just gave in so now he's diverting attention with a war he thought he could win with Israeli help.

I hear Cuba will be next- but Trump has bitten off more than he can chew here so I doubt he'll get the results he wants with Iran.

I am not fan of Netenyahu or his wicked tactics, but giving him the blame for all this let's Trump off the hook in a way he just doesn't deserve.

Trump has not 'stabilised' the Middle East though, has he?

It will also affect the poorest most leading to more economic migrants desperately searching for a better life and with more instability there will be more refugees fleeing from war.

foxie48

You can never eradicate terrorist organisations with bombs and guns, you eradicate them by removing the reasons that people support them. Israel went into Lebanon for the third time in 2006, destroyed infrastructure and killed many Lebanese people but it failed to suppress Hezbollah, it just went underground and regrouped!

Not just with bombs and guns but Jews in Israel is a fact of life they are not going away, Arabs keep attacking Jews who protect themselves with increasing force, resulting in the catastrophe of Gaza .

Regardless of the mistakes and injustices of the past the Arabs have got to stop attacking Israel, accept joint administration and control their own extremists. Until that happens terrorists will continue attacking whether sponsored by Iran or not.

But that is not the only problem in the region the moderate Islamic government's get attacked by fundamentalist Islamic terrorists. Egypt gets $ billions every year to control extremists thats nothing to do with oil.

Most Muslims want peace, stopping Iran sponsoring extremists is the first stage of stabilizing the whole region. It seems Trump has set that task as his goal "IF" he is successful it will be a big boost to his popularity.

We are already seeing an increase in support for the Iran action in the US, the dog in the manger Democrats oppose everything that Trump is involved in, that will be bad for them at the mid term elections. If Trump fails he is toast, so he will throw everything at Iran and so will Israel, they will win, I just don't see how yet

I agree MaizieD the other day in the news they described this new world order as dominated by strong arm tactics, with much more muscular geopolitics. Perhaps the age of diplomacy and dialogue are now a thing of the past and we can only look forward to an age of war war and no jaw jaw. Terrifying, especially seeing as this will impact the global economy and billions will fall below the poverty line, including here in the UK where increases in the cost of living will tip those just managing over the edge.

You can never eradicate terrorist organisations with bombs and guns, you eradicate them by removing the reasons that people support them.

Such wise words, foxie but what makes it so difficult for people to understand this? Is it a ‘man thing’?

I think the continual resort to war and violence is very much a male trait and a measure of how ineffectual women’s attempts to assert their equality have been.

We’ve had this debate on Gnet before, of course.