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Mr Trump Can't Shut This War Down........

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mae13 Fri 13-Mar-26 08:44:57

.......even if he wants to because he's lost control of Netanyahu.

The Israeli military is going berserk with the full blessing of Netanyahu. The US giving him support was a disastrous mis-calculation and now Israel seemingly doesn't need Trump anymore.

If he thought he would have the Iran business done and dusted in about a week, and he would come out of it as King of the World........well, his biggest mistake (among many) so far.

Oreo Wed 25-Mar-26 18:43:30

AGAA4

Leaders in Iran don't recognise Israel's right to exist but that is not the view of the whole population. A more moderate regime in Iran and Israel would make peace much more possible but not happening yet unfortunately.

Exactly, it’s the mullahs that are the problem.

Oreo Wed 25-Mar-26 18:42:42

Cossy

Iam64

Casdon, I’ve been watching Country Joe on my Facebook reel and posted it last week
If only young people would rise

Perhaps they are scared of being shot!

Too busy on their phones😁

Maremia Wed 25-Mar-26 16:46:19

Did Iran have that opinion about Israel, right from the setting up of the State, or did that come about later, say after the Iranian revolution?

AGAA4 Wed 25-Mar-26 14:58:47

Leaders in Iran don't recognise Israel's right to exist but that is not the view of the whole population. A more moderate regime in Iran and Israel would make peace much more possible but not happening yet unfortunately.

Bea65 Wed 25-Mar-26 14:36:07

Think someone needs to force/ propose a health competency evaluation on DT

fancythat Wed 25-Mar-26 14:06:54

Iran does not accept the right of Israel to exist

Ah. Didnt know that.
That explains a great deal.

MaizieD Wed 25-Mar-26 13:36:59

fancythat

I suspect, this has the most to do with that.

AI Overview
Iran's Striking Decline in Religiosity - GeoCurrentsIran is a Shia Muslim country, specifically adhering to the Twelver (Ithnā ʿAsharī) Ja'fari school of jurisprudence. As the world's only official Twelver Shia theocracy, approximately 90–95% of its population is Shia, with a small Sunni minority. The state religion is enshrined in the constitution, with the Islamic Revolution of 1979 firmly cementing its political identity.

I don't see the connection. The piece you've quoted doesn't even explain the statement it starts with. let alone its effect on holding nuclear weapons.

I don't trust any country with nuclear weapons, particularly Russia, Israel and now the US. As I said, Iran has not shown itself to be notably warmongering in the past, why should it start now?

David49 Wed 25-Mar-26 13:35:56

TBH, I would also ask why shouldn't it be allowed nuclear arms when other equally nasty countries have them?

The only country in the region with nuclear weapons is Israel, they have proved not to be a threat to others, but has been continually attacked by Iranian sponsored terrorists.

Iran does not accept the right of Israel to exist and has sworn to destroy it, the threat that a nuclear armed Iran might just do that, is clear to me.

All it would take is for Iran to accept Israel's right to exist and agree to a verified end to the nuclear programme

fancythat Wed 25-Mar-26 13:25:46

I suspect, this has the most to do with that.

AI Overview
Iran's Striking Decline in Religiosity - GeoCurrentsIran is a Shia Muslim country, specifically adhering to the Twelver (Ithnā ʿAsharī) Ja'fari school of jurisprudence. As the world's only official Twelver Shia theocracy, approximately 90–95% of its population is Shia, with a small Sunni minority. The state religion is enshrined in the constitution, with the Islamic Revolution of 1979 firmly cementing its political identity.

fancythat Wed 25-Mar-26 13:23:53

^
TBH, I would also ask why shouldn't it be allowed nuclear arms when other equally nasty countries have them?6

Presumably, some countries at least, dont trust Iran with them as much as other Countries.

MaizieD Wed 25-Mar-26 12:01:31

David49

MaizieD

Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons, David, so why say this Iran is seeking to retain its aggressive ability with ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons?

I think we have to look at the reality of here and now, not the ‘what ifs’ of the future.

Because if they do "win" this war the first thing they will do is develop a nuclear weapon.

Let's not be complacent about this

It's not like backing out of Afghanistan they were no threat to the region Iran is.

I think you are disregarding all the recent history of agreements between Iran and the US on limitation etc. of nuclear development, agreements which the idiot Trump tore up, also the fact that, although it exports terrorism, Iran has not physically attacked countries opposed to its regime, and that its capability to develop nuclear weapons has been degraded by recent actions.

There is still a chance. slim though it might be, that with better governance in he US and Israel, agreement about Iran's nuclear programme could be reached.

There is also the doctrine of MAD to consider. Even if it did have nuclear weapons why would it use them when it would be guaranteed to be equally devastated by retaliatory use?

TBH, I would also ask why shouldn't it be allowed nuclear arms when other equally nasty countries have them?

David49 Wed 25-Mar-26 11:59:57

foxie48

Republicans are sticking with Trump until the mid terms as they will feel the need to keep his endorsement. I think it will be interesting to see what happens after then as they look likely to lose the House and could possibly also lose the Senate.

Trump probably will loose his majority in November but then everything has got to be untangled, so don't expect any quick fixes.

David49 Wed 25-Mar-26 11:47:36

MaizieD

Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons, David, so why say this Iran is seeking to retain its aggressive ability with ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons?

I think we have to look at the reality of here and now, not the ‘what ifs’ of the future.

Because if they do "win" this war the first thing they will do is develop a nuclear weapon.

Let's not be complacent about this

It's not like backing out of Afghanistan they were no threat to the region Iran is.

foxie48 Wed 25-Mar-26 11:08:34

Republicans are sticking with Trump until the mid terms as they will feel the need to keep his endorsement. I think it will be interesting to see what happens after then as they look likely to lose the House and could possibly also lose the Senate.

dotpocka Wed 25-Mar-26 10:19:33

www.yahoo.com/news/articles/florida-democrats-flip-two-seats-010006033.html

i dont likepols but this is in the region where the chump lives

just feels good emily is a heathcare avocate

MaizieD Wed 25-Mar-26 09:54:17

Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons, David, so why say this Iran is seeking to retain its aggressive ability with ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons?

I think we have to look at the reality of here and now, not the ‘what ifs’ of the future.

David49 Wed 25-Mar-26 09:39:36

The US military are highly unlikely to mutiny against Trump, however he is getting advice about what be can and cant achieved by US forces and the risk to each.

What we are hearing is "Smoke and Mirrors", Iran's stand is to tough it out and Trump will give up, maybe he will but not yet. For the hardliners in Iran to loose power is a big deal for them, in the same way that Hamas holds power in Gaza on a massive scale. Deaths are just martyrs fighting the infidel and justified in their minds. Im expecting a lot more fighting yet, drone and missile supplies in Iran are still a threat and probably now being assembled in small workshops all over the country

Iran is seeking to retain its aggressive ability with ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons that could attack anywhere in Europe, a regime with a terrorism record like Iran that is dangerous, they have been actively assisting terrorist groups across the Middle East and Africa to damage western influences - that is why Trump retains his backing of Republicans in the US

Luckygirl3 Wed 25-Mar-26 09:12:15

The issue of Trump’s personality/mental health doesn’t seem to worry Republican senators or voters

This is what frightens me. It seems that their lust for power overrides their common sense and the evidence of their eyes.

Iam64 Wed 25-Mar-26 08:55:54

The issue of Trump’s personality/mental health doesn’t seem to worry Republican senators or voters

It’s hard to know if ageing is affecting his ability to function - he’s always been nasty, narcissistic, impulsive and astoundingly rude. His version of Fake News and True Facts so unlike those of ordinary folk

The European leaders must discuss how to manage him

MayBee70 Wed 25-Mar-26 01:00:36

Norah

Cossy

Iam64

Casdon, I’ve been watching Country Joe on my Facebook reel and posted it last week
If only young people would rise

Perhaps they are scared of being shot!

I think they're having ‘No Kings’ protests against Trump’s agenda ‘terrorizing’ USA. Third nationwide No Kings protest is March 28.

Democratic Coachella Valley has protests planned.

Yes. Heather Cox Richardson has just been talking about it on today’s podcast. Now, I’ve never actually thought that Trump was sliding into mental illness because I thought he has always been as bad as he is now but she actually says that he is. It’s so reassuring to know that there are some sensible, intelligent people left in America. I do fear for them, though sad.

Norah Tue 24-Mar-26 21:04:58

Cossy

Iam64

Casdon, I’ve been watching Country Joe on my Facebook reel and posted it last week
If only young people would rise

Perhaps they are scared of being shot!

I think they're having ‘No Kings’ protests against Trump’s agenda ‘terrorizing’ USA. Third nationwide No Kings protest is March 28.

Democratic Coachella Valley has protests planned.

Casdon Tue 24-Mar-26 20:41:59

It would be interesting to know if they are doing Iam64. I guess Coachella is the modern day Woodstock, it will be interesting to see if there are any protests there.

Allira Tue 24-Mar-26 20:33:28

Iam64

I dream that the Military will become overwhelmed with ethics and historical awareness and refuse to get involved in illegal activitied

He can't give them all the death penalty?
Can he?

I wouldn't put it past him to threaten them.

Cossy Tue 24-Mar-26 20:31:42

Iam64

Casdon, I’ve been watching Country Joe on my Facebook reel and posted it last week
If only young people would rise

Perhaps they are scared of being shot!

Cossy Tue 24-Mar-26 20:21:01

foxie48

Grievance politics is what is driving populism. Basically find a scapegoat like immigration, tie it to people's disatisfaction and "bingo" you have a political party with plenty of support but no answers to anyone's problems. Once you are in power you can do pretty much as you like to line your own pockets. I think all of Trump's actions are driven primarily by making money, so yes, his tacos, no doubt, are used to increase his personal wealth. Farage is in the same mould but currently on a much smaller scale.

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