Mr Trump Can't Shut This War Down........

foxie48

We will however still pay the world price for oil and the danger is that with an oil shortage prices will continue to escalate. This is very bad for world trade but it will be a huge boost for Russia!

I remember people saying we would run out of oil in 50 years time.
This was on the 70s!

I looked it up recently, yes the world is due to run out of oil in 50 years time.
Yeah right!

Oil shortage - production rises and falls.
I cant believe real shortages even exist any more.

Robert Reich is another interesting one to follow. He held office as Secretary of Labour (sorry, Labor ) under Clinton. Earlier he worked for the Carter and Ford administrations.

MayBee70

After something I’d been listening to on utube finished something else popped up. It was called Politics Chat and it was dated 17 Feb and was by someone called Heather Cox Richardson. I’d nodded off so didn’t hear the start of it but in the bit that I did hear she said that Trump was actually a fascist. This was made before he attacked Iran. I’m going to listen to more of her podcasts. I wonder is any of our American friends know of her?

Heather Cox Richardson is a US academic, history is her field. She not only does a short daily podcast but she does a daily longish 'letter from America' on substack to which you can subscribe free of charge and get it in your email inbox every day.

This one is from 13th March

heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/march-13-2026

This link takes you to her home page and lists her previous articles

heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/

I follow her posts on Facebook.

We will however still pay the world price for oil and the danger is that with an oil shortage prices will continue to escalate. This is very bad for world trade but it will be a huge boost for Russia!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4En7Qai8O4
This is her latest one which I haven’t yet listened to but seems to be about this thread. Going to listen to it now. She’s an American historian and I’m glad that I’ve discovered her.

After something I’d been listening to on utube finished something else popped up. It was called Politics Chat and it was dated 17 Feb and was by someone called Heather Cox Richardson. I’d nodded off so didn’t hear the start of it but in the bit that I did hear she said that Trump was actually a fascist. This was made before he attacked Iran. I’m going to listen to more of her podcasts. I wonder is any of our American friends know of her?

AGAA4

Doesn't most of our oil comes from the US with amounts from Norway too? May be wrong but if not then US ships not getting through will disrupt our oil supply?

No, our own oil provides some of our needs, otherwise we buy crude oil which comes from Norway and the US oilfields, but not significant amounts from the gulf states.

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

The message coming out of Iran is that the straits of Hormuz are open to all apart from the USA and its Allies…

So, will the UK count as an ally or a neutral in Iran's eyes? After all, we let the US use our bases.

Do we actually have any shipping needing to use the Hormuz Straits?

Yes they are allowing oil to be shipped to China and other “friends”

And no😮 the U.K. is definitely not seen as a friend😊.

And I don’t think that the U.K. is very affected by Hormuz blockade.

The U.K. has always used blockades as a weapon of war so it isn’t something that should surprise us.

Where are the USA mine sweepers?
When were they sent there?
If this was a carefully planned operation, why are those mine sweepers not in the Middle East region, to deal with this obvious move by the Iranians?

Doesn't most of our oil comes from the US with amounts from Norway too? May be wrong but if not then US ships not getting through will disrupt our oil supply?

GrannyGravy13

The message coming out of Iran is that the straits of Hormuz are open to all apart from the USA and its Allies…

So, will the UK count as an ally or a neutral in Iran's eyes? After all, we let the US use our bases.

Do we actually have any shipping needing to use the Hormuz Straits?

The message coming out of Iran is that the straits of Hormuz are open to all apart from the USA and its Allies…

^The U.K. is. Considering sending mine-clearing drones.
^

Not sure I even want those sent.

Trump has messed up.
He [and where are his advisors] should have thought about the Strait before they went in. And should have had a robust plan.

Leave him to it I say.
Try and keep it open. Or not.

If Strait stays closed, it stays closed.
[admitedly I dont know all the ins and outs of everything].

The UK should act in its own interests and not be bullied by Trump. Sending mine clearing drones will help us as well.

This arrogant belligerent man has caused so much damage and disruption by not being intelligent enough to understand the results of his actions. He was warned about the strait of Hormuz being closed but said the war would be over very quickly.
Into its third week now. This is what happens when no plan in place.

The US should have rightly thought about 'cause and effect' before starting this war Oreo. I'm sure I've read that he was warned that the Strait of Hormuz could be closed down but didn't think it would be because the war would be over before that happened.

You'd think he'd have learned his lesson when he was unable to bring the war in Ukraine to an end in 48 hours.

Oreo

Silvergirl

AGAA4

Trump.has said he will remember those who don't help him open the Strait of Hormuz.
The US and Israel have caused this situation and now find they aren't coping. They are asking other countries to risk their personnel and ships to get them out of the mess they have made

Agreed. This daft and dangerous old man needs to realise that actions have consequences.

Not agreed by me.
Of course the US and Israel are coping! The US rightly thinks that any country that benefits from using the Straits of Hormuz
Should show willing and send their own ships or mine seeking drones in order to keep the oil flowing.
Sadly it’s been shown that we don’t have a ship😲let alone ships to send (Britannia doesn’t rule the waves) but may send the drones, yet to see what any other countries will cough up.

I'm still not clear why other countries should help clear up the mess caused by Trump's illegal and unasked for war.

Silvergirl

AGAA4

Trump.has said he will remember those who don't help him open the Strait of Hormuz.
The US and Israel have caused this situation and now find they aren't coping. They are asking other countries to risk their personnel and ships to get them out of the mess they have made

Agreed. This daft and dangerous old man needs to realise that actions have consequences.

Not agreed by me.
Of course the US and Israel are coping! The US rightly thinks that any country that benefits from using the Straits of Hormuz
Should show willing and send their own ships or mine seeking drones in order to keep the oil flowing.
Sadly it’s been shown that we don’t have a ship😲let alone ships to send (Britannia doesn’t rule the waves) but may send the drones, yet to see what any other countries will cough up.

Smileless2012

Trump's threatening the future of NATO if there's no help to open and secure the Strait of Hormuz. Maybe he should of thought of that before jumping into an illegal war with Netanyahu without consulting his allies, who only appear to be allies when it suits.

Exactly. Let him and Netanyahu get on with it.

Trump's threatening the future of NATO if there's no help to open and secure the Strait of Hormuz. Maybe he should of thought of that before jumping into an illegal war with Netanyahu without consulting his allies, who only appear to be allies when it suits.

BoadiceaJones

*Oreo Sun 15-Mar-26 22:02:53
BJones have noticed that the UK gets a lot of flak from you, so what country are you from?🤔*

A lot of flak, Oreo? You mean, I speak the truth? Have you studied history, unbiased history, I mean? It's time Britain accepted the wrong it has done as well as the tremendous good. Pretending it didn't happen is not actually helpful.

Oh, I'm in NZ, but have a British passport. Have read a lot, studied a lot, lived a long time, much of it in the UK, which I adore. But that doesn't alter the fact that we should accept our faults.

Thank you for saying where you are from.
We should certainly accept past and present faults whilst remembering that many European countries have a Colonial past and a past where they at times interfered in other countries sometimes for good and even excellent reasons and other times the outcomes are not so good.Outcomes are never predictable.It’s the ‘why’ of interference that matters.Iran is an evil regime that affects not only Israel but the whole of the ME and beyond as the regime funds many Islamist terrorist groups.

AGAA4

Trump.has said he will remember those who don't help him open the Strait of Hormuz.
The US and Israel have caused this situation and now find they aren't coping. They are asking other countries to risk their personnel and ships to get them out of the mess they have made

Agreed. This daft and dangerous old man needs to realise that actions have consequences.

The U.K. is. Considering sending mine-clearing drones.

Makes sense because

It is in our interest to get the oil running again
No loss of life
Cheaper.

Of course Trump will declare a massive Trump “win”

What a very foolish man he is. The world must have done something very wrong to be inflicted by the likes of Trump and Netanyahu.

Indeed, AGA and LLFL, it's almost as if Mr Trump decided to bomb a country without thinking of potential repurcussions.....

AGAA4

Trump.has said he will remember those who don't help him open the Strait of Hormuz.
The US and Israel have caused this situation and now find they aren't coping. They are asking other countries to risk their personnel and ships to get them out of the mess they have made

In a nutshell!