Mr Trump Can't Shut This War Down........

Casdon

fancythat

By the time NATO has had a meeting and worked out a strategy, Trump has already moved on.

This is war.

It’s not our war. We will feel the consequences, but that does not mean we have to join in, we are not the kids in the playground.

It is our war.
We have already joined in.

fancythat

By the time NATO has had a meeting and worked out a strategy, Trump has already moved on.

This is war.

It’s not our war. We will feel the consequences, but that does not mean we have to join in, we are not the kids in the playground.

The bottom line, fancythat is that a line has to be drawn somewhere, or Trump will make himself King of the World, and every person in every country will be obliged to obey each and every one of his whims, and pay him a hefty present bribe to do anything at all. The richest will be his best friends because their bribes will be in millions, and the poorest, the disabled, and the vulnerable will go to the wall because he sees them all as losers for not being rich and strong - even maimed ex-military heroes who almost died defending their homeland, even the dead heroes.

Already in the middle ages they had a saying for it "If once you pay the Danegeld, you never get rid of the Danes"

If you have never heard of the Danegeld, it was a large "one-off" payment from the English to the invading and colonising Danes to persuade them to go home. They took it, said thank you and went back to Denmark. The next year they came back and asked for a repeat.

Trump isn't the whole of the US and he has lost a lot of support with this ill thought out war.
To believe that he would join forces with Russia is far fetched. I doubt that would go down well in the US.

With just a hint of 'insider trading' on the oil prices.

This is an ill thought out, illegal 'military intervention'.

All the more reason to get closer to Europe, as the USA can no longer be trusted to be an ally.

By the time NATO has had a meeting and worked out a strategy, Trump has already moved on.

This is war.

Old arguments, even from last week, dont matter any more.

This is now. Not last week.

Trump seems to work from a daily basis.

Trump should think about which country is helping Iran with intelligence and drones etc

He doesnt do a lot of thinking. That is the problem.

If people, and I very much include Europe and the Uk, continue with the same attitudes as they have been doing, well the Uk will be pretty much defenseless.

And now people will say how good our this that and the other are.

But if Trump switches sides, then Heaven help us.

Yes.

But now we have Trump.
And now NATO has not done what he wanted[helped the US out]. At least not to Trump satisfaction.

And the umgratitude[is that the right word] towards the US abounds. Even on this thread.

I say wakey wakey again.

Trump could so easily help Russia if he feels like it one day.
Which could be any day, quite frankly, now we understand him a bit better.

Fancythat Trump should think about which country is helping Iran with intelligence and drones etc It is, of course, Russia. Trump thinks Russia is Europe's problem but of course, Russia is a threat to the US as well. Unfortunately, I don't think Trump understand geopolitics, or has ever looked at a map. He certainly didn't seem to know how huge Iran is or what size of population it has. He also doesn't seem to appreciate how beneficial it is to have Nato countries tied into American munitions but seemingly he's not the only one.

It's the only time NATO was invoked, and it was by the USA, and the NATO nations including us responded.

That was then.

And this is very much now.

fancythat

Why should he help or be part of NATO any more.

You seem to have forgotten NATOs role post 9/11.
The us were very pleased to have their support then 🤷‍♀️

Yes the control of red sea will cause even more problems.
All this because Trump went into a war with no idea of the consequences. US personnel have now been injured which won't go down well with those opposed to this war.

The real issue with the Houthis is their ability to disrupt shipping in the Red Sea which affects, not only global trade by forcing ships to take a longer route via the Cape of Good Hope, but also greatly affects the Saudi oil shipments. There's a pinch point at the strait of Bab al-Mandab - a 20-mile wide channel that splits Eritrea and Djibouti on the African side and Yemen on the Arabian Peninsula, which is fairly easily controlled by the Houthis. This will cause yet more serious problems for the world. Well done, Trump!!

The Houthis are now attacking Israel from Yemen.
Marco Rubio says the war will end in weeks but the US have been saying that since it began and now it's in its second month.

Elegran

There are reports that the US wants to repurpose $750 milion which NATO allocated to weapons for Ukraine to go instead to help the Iran war.

He could go the whole hog and help Russia.

He could do anything.

Not sure he would. But who knows.

Even not helping Ukraine helps Russia.

AGAA4

I have been hearing about people trying to get their loved ones from under mounds of rubble.
The same bombing till nothing is left as in Gaza.

This is the tragic reality.

sixandahalf

What on earth is a non innocent inhabitant of Iran?

People and loyalties and families are complex things.

I think it's so sad to see the devastation of places like Beirut. The little details like somebody's washing hanging out.

The non innocent are all the regime and the IRGC who prop up this regime and murdered 36,000 innocent Iranians in a few days in January.

Wakey wakey.

Let's go it alone, shall we?

Why should he help or be part of NATO any more.