Matt Goodwin

Btw I’ll be dead by the end of the century as will all the others on this post and indeed Goodwin himself, so none of us will know or care!

I was going to say that Cossy but didn't want to tempt fate 😁

Allira

I was going to say that Cossy but didn't want to tempt fate 😁

We wont be here but our grandchildren and great grandchildren will.All depends on what kind of country and society you hope will be here for them.

One where people live in harmony 🤞

Allira

One where people live in harmony 🤞

That would be fantastic!

‘I’d like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmoneee la la lah🎼…..Coke! It’s the real thing’
Well, wouldn’t we all, but it’s never going to happen unfortunately.

Oreo

‘I’d like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmoneee la la lah🎼…..Coke! It’s the real thing’
Well, wouldn’t we all, but it’s never going to happen unfortunately.

Lots and lots of people rub along just fine. There are pockets of really interesting things going on, despite the complete desecration of public services.

I don't buy into this propaganda about Muslims taking over.

In what way have museums drifted? The ones near me are vibrant, busy, interesting and free.

twaddle...nailed it.

ONS data for 2024/25, shows by far the largest ethnic group having children after White British and White Other (but still lagging far behind those groups as all other ethnic groups are) is Mixed/Multiple Ethnic Groups. In other words, people are chosing partners from ethnicites other than their own.

Total births in 2024/25 were 537,422. 343,186 were white, 289,130 of them White British.

Someone please explain:

• when in 2021, the white population was 81.7% some 48.7 million

• when one generation is generally considered to be 30 years

• when the number of White British babies born in the most recent year for records, just one year ago, outstrips that of all other ethnicities added together

how in 39 years time, by 2063 according to Goodwin, the White British will no longer be a majority in the country?

You can believe Goodwin’s propaganda, rooted in the Great Replacement conspiracy theory he subscribes to or you can look at real data.

Oreo

‘I’d like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmoneee la la lah🎼…..Coke! It’s the real thing’
Well, wouldn’t we all, but it’s never going to happen unfortunately.

That's why I used the conditional "would".

Nevertheless we've had a few decades where the world situation was more harmonious than it's been in the past. There's no harm in heading in that direction.

The Matt Goodwins, Trumps and Farages of this world do not want democracy. They set out, very clearly, plans for autocracy.

Why do people want to give away our hard won democracy? It may not be perfect - no decision taken by more than one person ever is - but why hand your power to the few? You may feel this gives short-term certainty and control but it's always an exchange for long-term freedom and accountability.

People are talked into fear or a belief that democracy means instability. Sadly, historically, regaining lost freedoms can be difficult once power is concentrated in the hands of a few meaning those who enable them into power suffer just as much as those they are taught to hate.

Graphite, I don't even now what counts as "White British". Is somebody with (for example) one Polish grandparent British? What about somebody with one Nigerian grandparent? And how does the ONS know about religion from a birth certificate?

DaisyAnneReturns

The Matt Goodwins, Trumps and Farages of this world do not want democracy. They set out, very clearly, plans for autocracy.

Why do people want to give away our hard won democracy? It may not be perfect - no decision taken by more than one person ever is - but why hand your power to the few? You may feel this gives short-term certainty and control but it's always an exchange for long-term freedom and accountability.

People are talked into fear or a belief that democracy means instability. Sadly, historically, regaining lost freedoms can be difficult once power is concentrated in the hands of a few meaning those who enable them into power suffer just as much as those they are taught to hate.

It's ironic that some people are being persuaded that democracy is being destroyed by one of the groups intent on destroying it.

twaddle

Graphite, I don't even now what counts as "White British". Is somebody with (for example) one Polish grandparent British? What about somebody with one Nigerian grandparent? And how does the ONS know about religion from a birth certificate?

The notes to the ONS spreadsheet just say ethnicity as stated by the mother.

My understanding is that though not recorded on a birth certificate the ONS links birth registrations to NHS records which do include ethnicity.

It will be democracy that more than likely puts Farage into power of course

Just so I understand properly, who are you referring to in your post 26-Mar-26 09:50:08, twaddle?

Graphite

twaddle

Graphite, I don't even now what counts as "White British". Is somebody with (for example) one Polish grandparent British? What about somebody with one Nigerian grandparent? And how does the ONS know about religion from a birth certificate?

The notes to the ONS spreadsheet just say ethnicity as stated by the mother.

My understanding is that though not recorded on a birth certificate the ONS links birth registrations to NHS records which do include ethnicity.

But not religion?

So many people seem to be correlating ethnicity with religion.

How many generations do people have to go back to count as White British and not mixed race?

How are distinct ethnic groups decided anyway? For example, many people from North Africa and the Middle East have DNA from the Northern Shores of the Mediterranean.

There has always been a swirl of DNA as different populations move around the globe. Goodwin and his followers need to get over themselves.

DaisyAnneReturns

Just so I understand properly, who are you referring to in your post 26-Mar-26 09:50:08, twaddle?

Not you. People who swallow the messages put out by Goodwin, Farage and their ilk.

I would be far more interested in a book, or even a hustings speech from Matt Goodwin, as an aspiring MP, that talks about what really matters to the UK electorate- e.g. the environment, the NHS, education, how hard teachers, Drs, Nurses, Police, Firemen etc etc work for us, the fight against Climate Change and how to mitigate it, food security, helping the poor and needy, animal welfare, helping poorer countries (this has a likely beneficial impact on future numbers of asylum seekers), thinking about solutions for employment for the young and unemployed, fist time buyers, workers rights, human rights, care for the elderly, care for the very ill, how to mitigate pollution. In essence how he/Reform UK intends to work for the best interests of people in any of his future, possible, aspired for constituencies.

Thus his book, with a key focus on anti immigrant rhetoric, to the negligent lack of focus on other issues, projects a message that he cares less and little for any of the many, many other, arguably more pressing issues that the general population faces day to day.

The Iran war is projected to further lower UK Growth and have an adverse impact on inflation, cost of living and fuel costs as the UK is heavily reliant on oil and foreign imports. It appears to me that Matt Goodwin/Reform UK’s anti immigrant rhetoric and focus thereon is in itself suicidal and self sabotaging- pot calling the kettle black so to speak.

There is a risk that MG Reform UK, as they seek also to become members of 'the ruling classes', by hoping to win a General Election, are seen as highly likely to contribute on, possibly on a greater scale, to the “Suicide of a Nation” than the 'ruling classes' to date.

LemonJam, I think you're saying the same as I was. If Reform were to ever form a government, they wouldn't care about the majority, which is what democracy is supposed to be all about. They would just be a "ruling class", maybe with a background from different public schools, cut from the same cloth.

No religion is mentioned. Even if a child is born to a family whose origins are in a predominately Muslim country it doesn’t mean they follow that religion.

The 2021 census for England and Wales, tells us that the largest group after Christian (27.2 million) was 22 million people saying they had no religion, compared to 3.9 million Muslim and 1 million Hindi. That’s from a total population of 67 million. 50 million saying they are Christian or nothing at all. The question is not compulsory so not everyone answers it.

Goodwin claims he only used AI to obtain datasets. Why even use AI? The ONS data is there which anyone moderately IT literate and numerate can access.

Andy Twelves will debate the book with Goodwin on GB News tomorrow between 6pm and 7pm so one to set the recorder for.

I'm reminded of the story of black slave Francis Barber and his white descendants:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aOKnwL1z4U

twaddle

DaisyAnneReturns

Just so I understand properly, who are you referring to in your post 26-Mar-26 09:50:08, twaddle?

Not you. People who swallow the messages put out by Goodwin, Farage and their ilk.

Thank you!

Thanks for posting that link, Graphite. I remembered the story, but I couldn't remember the man's name. How sad that the mother didn't want to talk about the "black man" in front of the children.

The truth is that we all have foreign DNA. Most people, in time, become integrated. It's nonsense to talk about "White British" as though some people are thoroughbred racehorses.

Some form of common culture with common aims is more important in forming social cohesion and an idea of common nationhood. It seems that Goodwin and Co are determined that there should be divisions.