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Reform Deputy Leader says all British tax payers should do their best to find ways to pay the minimum amount of tax possible

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Norah Mon 16-Mar-26 16:06:31

Oreo

Don’t we all pay only what we legally have to regards tax?

Of course.

MaizieD Mon 16-Mar-26 16:05:59

It's the tax evaders and avoiders who contribute to the deficit that everyone gets so worried about...

And all the 'legal' loopholes have been engineered over the years to benefit the wealthy.

I would remind you, of course, that taxation doesn't fund spending, spending happens before taxation, but I won't bore you with it this time... grin

Allira Mon 16-Mar-26 15:59:07

Oreo

You won’t get any takers.
Everyone does what they can legally to avoid paying too much tax.
There’s legal tax avoidance and then there’s illegal tax evasion.
Wealthy people and firms have accountants to find the legal ways to do it.

Yes.

Tax avoidance and tax evasion are two different things, one legal and one not.

Of course, the wealthy set up trust funds for their children to avoid tax. We should all have taken lessons from that good left-wing Socialist Tony Benn on how to do it.
(I did like him, despite that btw!).

LemonJam Mon 16-Mar-26 15:57:59

The Times investigation however claims that TICE did not qualify under the REIT rules and therefore was not acting legally.

Other Newspapers and the BBC are starting to pick this up and reporters are asking TICE questions which is annoying him. E.g. TICE was challenged by one reporter that last year he attacked Angela Rayner for underpaying £40k in stamp duty on a second property scale despite himself not paying £580k+ tax that the Times claims is due as he broke the REIT rules and what is the difference. AR of course said she had received the wrong advice and duly resigned.

Jackiest Mon 16-Mar-26 15:55:12

Oreo

Don’t we all pay only what we legally have to regards tax?

There are some people that arrange their finances by moving their income abroad so they minimise their tax in this country. They then have the benefit of living in this country without having to pay for it.

Oreo Mon 16-Mar-26 15:41:47

You won’t get any takers.
Everyone does what they can legally to avoid paying too much tax.
There’s legal tax avoidance and then there’s illegal tax evasion.
Wealthy people and firms have accountants to find the legal ways to do it.

keepingquiet Mon 16-Mar-26 15:38:21

I intend to set up a Crowdfunding page for people who support this grifter to contribute their own funds, so he doesn't have to pay any tax at all.

Oreo Mon 16-Mar-26 15:36:49

Allira

Oreo

Don’t we all pay only what we legally have to regards tax?

No, I always offer extra to help fill that £20 billion black hole! 😁

You’re one in a million 😂

LemonJam Mon 16-Mar-26 15:25:25

mimosa= minimise

LemonJam Mon 16-Mar-26 15:25:01

We all should be paying the amount of tax legally required.

However if every tax payer as Tice suggests actively looks for ways to avoid paying the usual amount of tax and to mimosa tax payable as he has possible ie none that would have consequences. If every company in the UK invests in a REIT scheme to avoid paying corporation tax- to the extent of paying NO corporation tax whatsoever that would also seriously deplete tax coffers and have an impact on those on PAYE schemes.

Interesting to see whether HMRC investigates and if so what is the outcome.

Allira Mon 16-Mar-26 15:10:45

Oreo

Don’t we all pay only what we legally have to regards tax?

No, I always offer extra to help fill that £20 billion black hole! 😁

Oreo Mon 16-Mar-26 15:05:32

Don’t we all pay only what we legally have to regards tax?

LemonJam Mon 16-Mar-26 15:00:34

Use a REIT scheme- reduce their tax payments- Reform approves and TICE actively encourages this!

All Britons should do their best to pay the minimum tax possible, Reform UK’s deputy leader has argued as he dismissed The Times newspaper investigation over his own tax affairs as 'a smear'. Richard Tice, who was presenting a press conference today about Reform’s claims to have saved large sums of money in the English councils it runs (NOT), faced questions about a Sunday Times story, which detailed a scheme the paper said had helped him avoid nearly £600,000 in corporation tax.

According to the paper, Tice’s property company used a rare legal status known as a real estate investment trust, or Reit, which meant it paid NO corporation tax between 2018 and 2021 and avoided paying £580,000 o nearly £600,000 in tax as a result. Labour has urged HMRC to investigate the arrangements.

Asked whether he was right to minimise his tax payments in such a way, Tice deflected and told reporters he rejected the idea people should “pay the absolute maximum tax possible”.
Asked if he would encourage everyone in the UK to pay as little tax as legally possible, Tice replied: “Yes, of course, that’s what you should do.” Tice sought to characterise the story as an attempt by the media to argue that everyone had to pay the maximum tax possible. Tice also denied that Reit schemes were specialist or beyond the use of less rich taxpayers, saying anyone could invest in them.

In a letter to HMRC released on Sunday night, the Labour chair, Anna Turley, called for an investigation into a series of areas where, she said, it was possible that Tice and his company had abused the intentions of the Reit process, calling it “a deeply troubling case which needs to be investigated with the utmost urgency”.