Stronger links with Europe? KS

Absolutely took it as an heads up that joining the EU will be in the next manifesto.
Thank goodness. Brexit has been bloody disastrous.

Eazybee must live in a different universe to the rest of us. Probably the one governed by the Daily Mail and GB News.

Well, it was Obama who placed sanctions on Iran resulting in the Iran deal that was to ensure Iran's nuclear program was and remained exclusively peaceful.

Then, as we know, Trump ripped up the deal, calling it horrible, horrible.

I thought it was to do with that.

Has Obama commented recently? If so, I missed it. I wonder what he's thinking?

Allira I think the Obama comment was just an off the cuff comparison.

I misunderstood the comment and ploughed on in!

sixandahalf

Cossy

Sorry sixandahalf For what it’s worth I admired Obama and agree with you.

No problem. Huge amounts of back covering going on.

Who?

Starmer? Trump? Obama?

Could you explain please, your posts are enigmatic and confusing.

Allira

Cossy

sixandahalf

I can't get my head around any of it. I dare say somebody wil be only too happy to tell me Obama was a terrible person and made many errors but he seemed to have intelligence and integrity.

I’m struggling to understand how anyone can be both “terrible” yet have “integrity”?

I'm not sure what Obama as to do with this at all.
Has he spoken? If so, I missed it.

I'm confused.

No need to be confused. It is a simple thought about a previous president who appeared to have integrity and carried himself well on the world stage.

Unlike Trump.

I think that's fairly clear?

eazybee

Have to say I completely disagree with you in terms of the way Starmer has handled both Trump and the Iran situation.

PMQ is setup and designed as a political entertainment programme, deliberately showing PMs and MPs in a dramatic light.

Do you remember Trump and Vance’s terrible behaviour, on TV towards Ukraine’s President? Posturing and insulting. That was a petulant attitude.

This isn’t the time to play politics, we, the Brits, need to stand up and be counted when it concerns the likes of Trump, Putin, Netanyahu and their chums.

Our real allies are Europe and Canada right now. After the next USA elections much may change.

Cossy

Sorry sixandahalf For what it’s worth I admired Obama and agree with you.

No problem. Huge amounts of back covering going on.

Cossy

sixandahalf

I can't get my head around any of it. I dare say somebody wil be only too happy to tell me Obama was a terrible person and made many errors but he seemed to have intelligence and integrity.

I’m struggling to understand how anyone can be both “terrible” yet have “integrity”?

I'm not sure what Obama as to do with this at all.
Has he spoken? If so, I missed it.

I'm confused.

eazybee

Nevertheless it is America that has the manpower, the money and the control and Starmer's pusillanimous, petulant attitude did nothing to temper a very dangerous situation. He has destroyed our special relationship with America, which did have some financial advantages for Britain, but he despises trade.
His true colours are now emerging, desperate to return to the shelter of the EU which will shield him from making difficult decisions but allow him collective responsibility, and of course hiding behind the ECHR.
Quiet, calm, level headed?
Have you watched him on PMQs?

If there was a special relationship, it is Trump who has destroyed it, not Starmer.

Stand firm against the petulant bully, Sir Keir, although it must be difficult to know what will come next and how to respond to such delusions.

eazybee

Nevertheless it is America that has the manpower, the money and the control and Starmer's pusillanimous, petulant attitude did nothing to temper a very dangerous situation. He has destroyed our special relationship with America, which did have some financial advantages for Britain, but he despises trade.
His true colours are now emerging, desperate to return to the shelter of the EU which will shield him from making difficult decisions but allow him collective responsibility, and of course hiding behind the ECHR.
Quiet, calm, level headed?
Have you watched him on PMQs?

How, specifically, has KS destroyed the “special relationship” as opposed to what Trump has done to uphold it, eazybee?

Sorry sixandahalf For what it’s worth I admired Obama and agree with you.

Cossy

sixandahalf

I can't get my head around any of it. I dare say somebody wil be only too happy to tell me Obama was a terrible person and made many errors but he seemed to have intelligence and integrity.

I’m struggling to understand how anyone can be both “terrible” yet have “integrity”?

In my opinion, he has integrity. I dare say other posters would be only too happy to say otherwise.

I believe we can forge a good and strong relationship with Europe. Ten years since the Brexit disaster and we won't rejoin but can work together especially on defence.
We are part of Europe and have more in common than with the US .
Under Trump the US feels quite alien.

Whitewavemark2

I think that those of us who voted to remain and have watched with horror the consequences of the leave vote, are not so naive as to assume that the U.K. will be re-entering the membership any time soon, not least because we would not be welcome. However, I do think that it is essential that we join forces with all of Europe with regard to defence and other stuff in our interests.

Bang on!

sixandahalf

I can't get my head around any of it. I dare say somebody wil be only too happy to tell me Obama was a terrible person and made many errors but he seemed to have intelligence and integrity.

I’m struggling to understand how anyone can be both “terrible” yet have “integrity”?

I think that those of us who voted to remain and have watched with horror the consequences of the leave vote, are not so naive as to assume that the U.K. will be re-entering the membership any time soon, not least because we would not be welcome. However, I do think that it is essential that we join forces with all of Europe with regard to defence and other stuff in our interests.

Maremia

When I read the description 'petulant' it is not Starmer that I see.

Agreed. Petulant perfectly describes Donald Trump. His policies - towards his officers of state, his nation and his international relationships - all shift according to his fleeting geriatric emotions.

Maremia

When I read the description 'petulant' it is not Starmer that I see.

Goodness knows, we are fed propaganda. But I don't see petulant.

I'm not a Starmer fan but he's spot on with it's not our war,Trump has made a huge error of judgement siding with Netanyanahu and is now back pedalling as fast as he can,his statement today that Iran wants the war to stop and Iran replies no ,never said that.The man is as daft as a box of frogs

LizzieDrip

What ‘special relationship’ eazybee?

That ship sailed long ago - if it ever really existed! What ‘special’ treatment has Trump given us … even before Starmer’s sensible refusal to be dragged into an illegal war?

Please, please, please Sir Keir Starmer, continue to develop closer relations with our genuine allies - Europe!

Agree with this. America was great when Pearl Harbour was attacked and they had to come into the War. However, we had a bill to pay for this that was only settled a few years ago. Yes they have been a good ally in times over the years when there were sane presidents. However, their interests were usually of primary importance. Our mistake was to rely on them for military help in recent years and forsake the EU for a non existent “special relationship”.

When I read the description 'petulant' it is not Starmer that I see.

which did have some financial advantages for Britain
If there was an advantage to us you know that there was a bigger advantage for America.

Trump's view of what our "special position" with regard to America should be at the moment is "bent over a barrel and submissively agreeing to whatever he demands". That is not being an ally, and particularly not being an equal defensive ally. It would mean being a subordinate attacking sidekick, doing his dirty work and sharing the blame for every incompetent blunder of his Department of War.

No thank you.

What ‘special relationship’ eazybee?

That ship sailed long ago - if it ever really existed! What ‘special’ treatment has Trump given us … even before Starmer’s sensible refusal to be dragged into an illegal war?

Please, please, please Sir Keir Starmer, continue to develop closer relations with our genuine allies - Europe!