Is Your Party finished?

I like Corbyn and thought he was treated very badly by the media and by the Labour Party. A man that has campaigned all his adult life for peace and equality to be labelled as anti-semetic was, in my opinion, absolutely disgusting.

However, I think Your Party was not a viable concept because Corbyn and Sultana were not temperamentally or politically well suited

I too object to the use of the word "rabble" to describe this party's members. I can think of other parties for whom that description would be far more appropriate.

Norway are still making a lot of money from oil and gas, though ( I seem to remember hearing that in a Simon Reeve programme I saw recently). The Scandinavian countries do seem to have some good ideas when it comes to the environment etc though, things like ( I think) laser lights that stop deer running into roads.

I agree with CatsWhiskas.

Norway levies higher overall taxes (averaging 40% GDP) to fund extensive social welfare.

Its NI. contributions range from o% to 14.1%, 22% flat rate general income tax and a progressive bracket tax upwards with top rate being 47.4%. Norway also imposes an annual wealth tax of 1.1%. on net assets above about £127,000 (1.7 million Kroner). Norway VAT equivalent. sales tax IS 25%. Norway capital Gains tax is a flat 37.8%. We do not have an annual wealth tax in UK

There are system differences ie UK PAYE is largely automated- Norways HMRC equivalent. offers complex deductions for mortgage interest, child care, commuter costs etc. t

Meandrogrog

Whitewavemark2

I have recently holidayed in Norway which has a much higher equality of wealth. Largely done through the tax system, but of course there is the little matter if the sovereign wealth which has made them one if the richest countries in the world and the fact that we seemed to given all the income we received from oil to the wealthy and tax cuts.

Norway has health care from birth to death. Social care, education from birth to PhD, free dentistry, a good welfare system, excellent housing, - there are a few thousand homeless but you will not find them sleeping rough on the streets, an excellent environmental policy - it recognises the anomaly of oil drilling and is seeking ways to replace this, and of course not a single pot hole😄.

That is what a reasonably high level of tax gives you - you can’t have any of it without paying for it.

I completely agree with you but in the UK we seem to be paying for it without getting it. Everyone I have spoken to feels the same!

But we are not paying for it in the same way Norwegians do. We are also a much more unequal society.

Samwan- all posters will have various and differing views on spending priorities.

If there was a GE tomorrow ( which there isn't) its 100% certain Your Party would not win a majority!

Your Party was not able to put a candidate forward for the recent Makerfield by election or any other by elections this year. How many members does it actually have to set up 'branches nationwide"?

The next GE is 3 years away so Your Party has three years to build capacity after its abysmal, disastrous start. If it wins no by elections in the interim it still will have no chance of winning a GE.

YourParty are setting up branches nation wide. Than they will put forward candidates for elections.

How do you win an election like McSweeney Mandelson, Starmer by lying to the membership promiseing 10 pledges much neded change then ditch all 10 pledges when PM? Brilliant that's how you win fool the electorate to vote for you on promises you don't intend to keep.

Today, the government announced plans to increase UK military spending to almost £80 billion a year by 2029 — a 27% increase.

This is a political choice to prioritise weapons and warfare at a time when millions are struggling with the cost of living, crumbling public services and a housing crisis.

We need to get serious about the crises facing us all: climate change, inequality and war.

In a few years' time, will we look back and be grateful that we spent billions on weapons?

Or will we look back and wish we had the common sense to invest in a greener, fairer world?

keepingquiet

As a long time Labour member I don't think this party ever even got going and was doomed from the start.
I never voted for Corbyn as leader because he was an idealogue first and foremost and did not really understand the times he was living in or how the British political system works. He would never have been elected because he didn't appeal to the broad base needed to win a majority in Parliament.
As a man of principle I admire him, but as politician? No chance.
I think he would much rather be growing onions or something, that growing a wide voter base.

lovely man with some good ideas, but way too dogmatic to win an election or be a good PM.

Meandrogrog

Whitewavemark2

I have recently holidayed in Norway which has a much higher equality of wealth. Largely done through the tax system, but of course there is the little matter if the sovereign wealth which has made them one if the richest countries in the world and the fact that we seemed to given all the income we received from oil to the wealthy and tax cuts.

Norway has health care from birth to death. Social care, education from birth to PhD, free dentistry, a good welfare system, excellent housing, - there are a few thousand homeless but you will not find them sleeping rough on the streets, an excellent environmental policy - it recognises the anomaly of oil drilling and is seeking ways to replace this, and of course not a single pot hole😄.

That is what a reasonably high level of tax gives you - you can’t have any of it without paying for it.

I completely agree with you but in the UK we seem to be paying for it without getting it. Everyone I have spoken to feels the same!

In the UK the wrong people are paying it. As a percentage of income the 'poorer' citizens pay more in taxes, direct and indirect, than the wealthy.

I wouldn't agree, though, that today in the UK we have much in the way of fairness and equity. It has been diminishing for decades...

Whitewavemark2

I have recently holidayed in Norway which has a much higher equality of wealth. Largely done through the tax system, but of course there is the little matter if the sovereign wealth which has made them one if the richest countries in the world and the fact that we seemed to given all the income we received from oil to the wealthy and tax cuts.

Norway has health care from birth to death. Social care, education from birth to PhD, free dentistry, a good welfare system, excellent housing, - there are a few thousand homeless but you will not find them sleeping rough on the streets, an excellent environmental policy - it recognises the anomaly of oil drilling and is seeking ways to replace this, and of course not a single pot hole😄.

That is what a reasonably high level of tax gives you - you can’t have any of it without paying for it.

I completely agree with you but in the UK we seem to be paying for it without getting it. Everyone I have spoken to feels the same!

I have recently holidayed in Norway which has a much higher equality of wealth. Largely done through the tax system, but of course there is the little matter if the sovereign wealth which has made them one if the richest countries in the world and the fact that we seemed to given all the income we received from oil to the wealthy and tax cuts.

Norway has health care from birth to death. Social care, education from birth to PhD, free dentistry, a good welfare system, excellent housing, - there are a few thousand homeless but you will not find them sleeping rough on the streets, an excellent environmental policy - it recognises the anomaly of oil drilling and is seeking ways to replace this, and of course not a single pot hole😄.

That is what a reasonably high level of tax gives you - you can’t have any of it without paying for it.

Meandrogog- after reading recent posts. do you accept that society in 2026 is now fairer and more equitable than 1926- 100 years ago as a result of Government legislation designed specifically to achieve that?

Meandrogrog

Cossy

Graceless

Well said Graphite!

I agree with Graphite, and Ilovecheese, it’s become very boring.

It’s also not impossible to try and have a fairer and more equitable society and attempt to level the playing field.

I truly respect Corbyn as a person but he wasn’t a leader, but a good honest man and we would do worse than have more like him.

I would be interested in how you think a more equitable and fairer society can be achieved, given that throughout history this has not yet happened. Do you mean increased taxation from those with wealth to be given in benefits, or taken from those who have studied and worked hard and given to those who havent? Otherwise, how can this be achieved?

A few years ago the French economist, Thomas Pikety, wrote an intensively well researched book, 'Capital in the 21st Century, chock full of data, which clearly demonstrated that post WW2, when wealth was highly taxed and capital was highly regulated, there was a huge improvement in 'equity and fairness' in Western economies. Extreme wealth and extreme poverty are not inevitable. Governments can influence it through their economic policies. They are a political choice. It was only after a complete change in economic direction introduced by leaders such as Thatcher and Reagan that the gaps started to widen again.

Agree that we now, in the UK, have a fairer society than that of our grandparents.

I've tried to actually summarise what a Communist society is supposed to be like, as apart from a period in Cuba, we've never actually had a "proper one"

but this AI summary + added comment will do - and the differences are glaringly obvious.

"Public Ownership: The government or the public owns the "means of production" (farms, factories, and tools). No one can privately own a business to make a profit. No one owns their home, housing is built by the state and rented out

Central Planning: Instead of the free market deciding what to make, a central government plans the economy.

Planners decide how much food, clothing, and housing to produce, and set the prices for everything.No Profit Motive: The goal is to provide for the community, not to earn money.

Welfare: full pensions, schooling, health care, disability care, provided on a "needs" basis.

See the difference?

They don't actually have the first idea of what communism actually is as opposed to socialism.

All they have done in the USA is draw on the ghosts of crazy FBI activities under MCarthy, the witch hunts of the 1950's during the Cold War,

and smear anything that means sharing things out more fairly with that label.

It's an interesting question - how many posters vote in a General Election for a party that wants to build a fairer more equitable society and nurture the protections we already have in place?

I know the £ in your pocket is important but does it take precedence? Can we have both?

Since April- Starmer has resigned and another PM on the way. local elections showed much more fragmented voting patterns.

All of which leads me to believe the Your party is even more doomed than it was a few short months ago. Not a hope of ever winning a GE in three years time and hardly likely to attract many new members either.

Meandrogog- not yet happened? Crikey- a somewhat deluded and pessimistic view!

I would vote for any party that seeks to build a fairer more equitable society even if all the odds are stacked against them. I would vote to keep out a party that seeks to dismantle the building blocks we already have in place that support a fairer and more equitable society. Here are several defining legislative and political milestones that mark this evolution over the past more or less 100 years- we must make sure they are not lost:

Key political changes that transformed Britain into a fairer, more equitable society include the establishment of the post-war welfare state, the progressive extension of universal suffrage, and the implementation of robust anti-discrimination and human rights legislation.

1 Expanding the Franchise Universal Suffrage
Representation of the People Act (1918): Granted the vote to all men over 21 and women over 30 who met minimum property qualifications.
Equal Franchise Act 1928: Lowered the voting age for women to 21, granting them the exact same voting rights as men.
Representation of the People Act 196): Lowered the universal voting age from 21 to 18, reflecting the changing societal responsibilities of young adults.

2 Building the Welfare State
Beveridge Report 1942 & Post-War Reforms: Formed the blueprint for the modern welfare system.
*The Butler Ac*t 1944 established free universal secondary education for all children and raised the school leaving age to 15
National Health Service Act 1946: Spearheaded by Aneurin Bevan, this established the NHS in 1948, providing free healthcare at the point of use based on clinical need rather than ability to pay.
National Insurance Act 1946: Created a comprehensive social security net to protect citizens from "cradle to grave" against unemployment, sickness, and old age.

3 Securing Civil Rights and Social Equality
Equal Pay Act 1970: Made it illegal to discriminate between men and women in terms of pay and conditions of employment.
Race Relations Acts (1965, 1968, 1976): Progressively outlawed racial discrimination in public places, employment, and housing. The 1976 Act also established the Commission for Racial Equality.
Sex Discrimination Act 1975: Protected individuals from discrimination on the grounds of sex or marital status in employment, education, and training.

4 Human Rights and Constitutional Protection
Human Rights Act 199): Incorporated the rights set out in the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) directly into UK domestic law, allowing citizens to defend their fundamental rights in British courts.
Equality Act 2010: Streamlined and strengthened decades of fragmented anti-discrimination laws. It legally protects people from discrimination in the workplace and wider society based on "protected characteristics," including age, disability, race, religion, sex, and sexual orientation.






Historically, a more equitable and fairer society has been achieved, even if it will never be totally equitable and fair. If you want evidence, have a look at the records of the rates during the nineteenth century or look at the real photos of some of the early nineteenth century slums and compare people's lives with the landed gentry and some business people.

Cossy

Graceless

Well said Graphite!

I agree with Graphite, and Ilovecheese, it’s become very boring.

It’s also not impossible to try and have a fairer and more equitable society and attempt to level the playing field.

I truly respect Corbyn as a person but he wasn’t a leader, but a good honest man and we would do worse than have more like him.

I would be interested in how you think a more equitable and fairer society can be achieved, given that throughout history this has not yet happened. Do you mean increased taxation from those with wealth to be given in benefits, or taken from those who have studied and worked hard and given to those who havent? Otherwise, how can this be achieved?

And our own political landscape has taken a couple of twists since this Thread began.
Starmer is going.
Farage appears to be fading.
Your Party has gone silent.

My respect for Jeremy Corbyn is unchanged but he has a group of abnsolute Charlatans running his his.

IN 40 years of trade union and political activism this is the worst run party I have ever come across. #I am gutted at what it is doing to his supporters.

Wyllow3

Cumbrianmale56

The problem with Your Party was it was too divided and its conference was like something out of a student union meeting, with endless heckling, walkouts and shouting. Many of the attendees seemed to be either students ot aged far left activists with nowhere else to go. Also a very public falling out between Corbyn and Sultana wrecked the party from the start.

You've hit the nail on the head. I was very involved in student politics and ended up VP of the students union.

What I continually observed, was that very far left or right groups were always in conflict within themselves, arguing about whose ideologies were exactly correct:

I won on a "broad left alliance" ticket which was pragmatic and practical so I agree with others re Corbyn: a man who wanted and really fair and caring society - but his manifesto was a completely unrealistic shopping list promising all for everyone in need - people simply didn't "buy it". He was also at that point in alliance with the ideologues of unelected Momentum who wielded behind the scenes influence.

Just as the far right now has their ideologues that are actually very extreme - think the current US ideas. As well as gross international fundraising...but they too keep having "splits" and people sacked or leaving in huffs.

Way back in time I was a student at what was Sheffield Poly. Hard left gtoups like the SWP and the Revolutionary Communist Party, an odious bunch who saw the IRA as freedom fighters, always tried to take over every meeting and committee and once pushed someone off a platform because they didn't like their opinions. Most students couldn't stand these ultra left groups and their negative, aggressive behaviour and weird political views. Also you got the impression many of them were upper middle class kids playing at being revolutionaries for a couple of years.
Anyway I decided to stand to represent my site as a site rep on a platform that was apolitical and which was more about improving facilities in one of the halls, which was like something out of the dark ages. My opponent, whom you could class as on the left, but strongly opposed to the extremist minority, fought a similar campaign, but due to better organisaiton won. Both of us wanted simply to represent people whatever their opinions and to make the student union more relevant to the vast majority of students.
It was interesting to campaign and after the result was declared, we both shook hands and went for a drink. This is how things should be.

This is a grassroots party lots involved. It will take a while a ew party so not like the two main parties. Corbyn is not deluded he has been on the right side of history and proven right the war by Blair and Bush and the private finance initiative our NHS etc. The two main parties are the same no difference people want something to see change. Starmer says he is not at war with Iran just defensive but is allowing our bases to be used by USA to bomb inocent civilians in Iran so he is lying. He did say no to bases at start but when the media saying good idea to go to war Starmer changed his mind. Another U turn. I have joined YourParty.

Cumbrianmale56

The problem with Your Party was it was too divided and its conference was like something out of a student union meeting, with endless heckling, walkouts and shouting. Many of the attendees seemed to be either students ot aged far left activists with nowhere else to go. Also a very public falling out between Corbyn and Sultana wrecked the party from the start.

You've hit the nail on the head. I was very involved in student politics and ended up VP of the students union.

What I continually observed, was that very far left or right groups were always in conflict within themselves, arguing about whose ideologies were exactly correct:

I won on a "broad left alliance" ticket which was pragmatic and practical so I agree with others re Corbyn: a man who wanted and really fair and caring society - but his manifesto was a completely unrealistic shopping list promising all for everyone in need - people simply didn't "buy it". He was also at that point in alliance with the ideologues of unelected Momentum who wielded behind the scenes influence.

Just as the far right now has their ideologues that are actually very extreme - think the current US ideas. As well as gross international fundraising...but they too keep having "splits" and people sacked or leaving in huffs.