Is Your Party finished?

Ash Sarkar explained very well on Politics Joe why this venture failed and while I’m happy to discuss it can we please cut the tedious “rabble” label for anyone who believes in socialism and a fairer society.

I imagine too much prevarication behind the scenes in launching the party, allowed The Greens to steal a march on galavanising themselves into a credible alternative to those who might otherwise have voted for "Your Party"

Yes it is finished.

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Ash Sarkar explained very well on Politics Joe why this venture failed and while I’m happy to discuss it can we please cut the tedious “rabble” label for anyone who believes in socialism and a fairer society.

I would also like the insults to cease. Wanting a fairer society is a perfectly valid view.

Well said Graphite!

Your Party has had a tumultuous journey to date from its inception to its official naming in 2025. It was meant to be a home for socialist voters dissatisfied with the Labour Party. But its intense internal disputes, leadership debates and logistical challenges have certainly been chaotic and lacked consensus and organisation.

Corbyn and Sultana, in vying with each other publicly for different models of leadership, have stirred up emotional reactions within their group and its fledgling membership/potential voters. Thus their actions may be justifiably perceived by some to be somewhat rabble rousing. It depends on your degree of bias, ie. whether you see this as healthy discord towards necessary democracy within the Your Party or destructive, rabble rousing self sabotage. Either way, over this extensive time period, Zack Polanski and the Green Party has been vying for the same disaffected socialist voters with a much larger degree of success- to the detriment of Your Party.

The UK political scene, for the most part has been dominated by Conservative, Labour then Liberal Parties in that order. It is enormously difficult to challenge that status quo over many years and all new parties have great difficulties in establishing a realistic alternative and a perception with the public that they are a viable alternative.

Some may see this early, transparent discord in most recent newcomer Your Party as preferable compared to Reform's efforts to establish itself, but as a more autocratic, Reform UK its company model headed up by Farage. Many will no doubt also view Farage as a rabble rouser, with much justification.

tyop- Reform UK- a Ltd company model.

Oh dear, there are rabble elements in all political parties and among their supporters…

Can’t really see much of a difference between Corbyns party and the Greens to be honest other than the Greens being led by a consummate showman. And although I’ve never been his biggest fan I think Corbyn is more sincere that Polanski.

I don't like Corbyn for many reasons but yes I absolutely agree that Corbyn is more committed to his beliefs than polanski.

GrannyGravy13 12.24 - at different times, in different contexts, to a lesser and greater degree, I agree with you Granny Gravy13. But much variation.

Rabble-Rouser definition: ' A person, often a speaker or leader who deliberately stirs up political or social passions, anger of prejudice in a crowd to incite action, often with a disapproving connotation of creating disorder.

Corbyn and Sultana I don't think were particularly intentional rabble rousers- just that the outcome of their behaviours could be perceived that way. It was more a case they were opposing forces, seeking to enforce their will, in the early stages of party formation.

I would suggest Farage and Trump are the 2 biggest example in current times of rabble rousers, both intentional, consistent and sustained in order to achieve their autocratic goals.

Your Party- is not finished yet- but hard to see how they can achieve any real momentum and become an electable force after their unfortunate start. Leadership and membership models should have been agreed and confirmed much earlier.

I would bet my house that they will never become an electable force.

As a long time Labour member I don't think this party ever even got going and was doomed from the start.
I never voted for Corbyn as leader because he was an idealogue first and foremost and did not really understand the times he was living in or how the British political system works. He would never have been elected because he didn't appeal to the broad base needed to win a majority in Parliament.
As a man of principle I admire him, but as politician? No chance.
I think he would much rather be growing onions or something, that growing a wide voter base.

Of course, I meant elected as PM. He is and always has been a very good constituency MP.

We always need politicians like Corbyn on the back benches to act as a political conscience and I admire him for always staying true to his beliefs.

MayBee70

We always need politicians like Corbyn on the back benches to act as a political conscience and I admire him for always staying true to his beliefs.

I agree, MayBee. I don't actually want all the MPs in each party to be carbon copies of each other. I've been distressed by the efforts to drive people like Corbyn out of the Labour party'

As I've said before, 'radical' ideas are often the impetus for less radical, but beneficial change.

I have always thought of Corbyn as an intelligent decent and articulate person , but the mostly Tory press and media in general put pay to anyone taking him seriously and were against him from the start.

Graceless

Well said Graphite!

I agree with Graphite, and Ilovecheese, it’s become very boring.

It’s also not impossible to try and have a fairer and more equitable society and attempt to level the playing field.

I truly respect Corbyn as a person but he wasn’t a leader, but a good honest man and we would do worse than have more like him.

The problem with Your Party was it was too divided and its conference was like something out of a student union meeting, with endless heckling, walkouts and shouting. Many of the attendees seemed to be either students ot aged far left activists with nowhere else to go. Also a very public falling out between Corbyn and Sultana wrecked the party from the start.

Cossy 13.34 ; "It’s also not impossible to try and have a fairer and more equitable society and attempt to level the playing field".

I absolutely agree. That's why it's such a shame the Your Party divisions and animosity between Corbyn and Sultana played out so publicly and negatively

silverlining48

I have always thought of Corbyn as an intelligent decent and articulate person , but the mostly Tory press and media in general put pay to anyone taking him seriously and were against him from the start.

I remember the debate he did with Johnson. Imo Corbyn was far superior in it but the news media said the complete opposite.

That's our right-wing biased media for you. Corbyn was far superior. The thing that comes across most clearly is that Corbyn believes in democracy and Johnson wants to tell people what they should have. It's the Rousseau people in chains analogy from The Social Contract:

The people of England regards itself as free; but it is grossly mistaken; it is free only during the election of members of parliament. As soon as they are elected, slavery overtakes it, and it is nothing.

You can still watch the debate on YouTube, Maybee.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kEB5pqWpJw

The first audience question:

Our first question tonight comes from Kath Sherlock from Bradford.

Both of you have promised that Brexit will be resolved in the next few months but are you really telling us the truth. There have been so many broken promises can you reassure me that we will not be talking about this forever.

Six years on and look where we are.

Then questions about the customs union and Ireland, a very pointed question about whether we could trust Johnson ... and many others.

It's worth watching again with hindsight.

I would hate to see the UK go the same way as the USA where Trump and the vociferous Republicans see all leftists as mad and associate all social conscience, care and welfare as Communism.