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I'm angry with Waitrose

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TerriBull Mon 06-Apr-26 14:50:19

For sacking an employee of 17 years standing, for apprehending a serial shoplifter who was walking off with a bag full of Lindt chocolate eggs, £13 each. Not necessary basic food items. I know it's often company policy that employees are not supposed to confront shoplifters in any way, but he did so out of frustration. For his efforts he got the sack. Disgraceful! Waitrose were lucky to have him.

Shoplifting is now so prevalent, the losses incurred are no doubt passed on to the consumer.

Is this what we've become as a society? a prevailing laissez faire attitude to low level theft. Retail's attitude seemingly to throw their hands up in the air in a "what we can we do about it?" Worse still punish the person who is trying to uphold the law, sacked and asked to apologise.

I do like Waitrose as a store, I don't use them for most of my shopping but go there for some items, after this though I feel like withdrawing my custom.

Aveline Wed 08-Apr-26 11:42:32

I used ChatGPT to find out what stores could do themselves to reduce shop lifting. Obviously it scraped the internet but all the suggestions were related to how it could make it easier for staff to prevent it. ie back to square one as staff cannot stop people these days. Looks like shops will have to cost in theft so we'll all pay more. Sigh.

butterandjam Wed 08-Apr-26 12:17:08

LemonJam

There are 2 perspectives here which have lead to a sad outcome- for the employee Walker Smith losing his job and bad publicity for Waitrose, that is limited in its ability to respond and present the full picture.

Waitrose is unable to disclose full details in relation to the incident as legally it must protect Smith's employment rights in respect of privacy and confidentiality laws. Waitrose must also legally comply with Health and Safety at Work act regulations and protect the health and safety of its employees in context of shop lifting risks, which applies in this case no doubt. As a result Waitrose has policies in place to protect all its employees with which employees must comply as part of their employment. Walker, by his own admission did not comply with his employment contract responsibilities as he did not follow policy and acted in the moment, out of frustration.

Guardian article extracts from the employee’s perspective: After spotting the thief, Walker “grabbed the bag” from the shoplifter, who snatched it back and, he said, there was a struggle for a few seconds before it snapped. The Lindt Gold Bunny Easter eggs, which retail for £13 each, fell to the floor and the shoplifter made a dash for the exit. Smith said one of the bunnies broke into pieces. He picked a piece and “threw it out of frustration” towards some shopping trolleys, not aiming it at the shoplifter, he said. He was told off by his manager and apologised but the matter was escalated. Smith said he was previously told not to approach shoplifters but the toll of seeing them get away with theft repeatedly spurred him into action. Smith said he regretted how he acted. “When I got home I was punching myself and thinking: ‘Why did I do that,’” he said. After a few days, he was hauled into a meeting with two store managers. “I had a feeling about what was going to happen,” he said. He made a final plea, telling his bosses “Waitrose is like my family” but he was still dismissed. Smith told the Guardian he has been diagnosed with anxiety, which he said his managers were aware of.

Waitrose response: A Waitrose spokesperson said: “We take the safety and security of our customers and our partners incredibly seriously and to do this we have policies in place which our partners are aware of and required to follow.
The spokesperson said the policies must be strictly followed because of the potentially serious danger to life in tackling shoplifters. “As a responsible employer, we never want to be in a position where we are notifying families of a tragedy because someone tried to stop a theft. Nothing we sell is worth risking lives for.” The spokesperson added that they could not discuss individual cases but the correct process was being followed, which included a standard appeals process.

Walker suffered from anxiety, of which he said Waitrose was aware, grabbed the bag, struggled with thief, then threw broken egg pieces in frustration and by so doing admits he broke Waitrose policy, of which he was aware and had previously been told not to approach shop lifters. As he was both aware of policy and been previously warned and still approached a shop lifter, Waitrose, by law, must consider risk of repeated behaviour.

If any harm came to Walker or any others as a result of Walker struggling with shop lifters and throwing items in frustration- Waitrose insurers may fail to pay out in compensation claims and may be held accountable for health and safety at work failures. The risk of Waitrose being sued is also increased in context of Walker's known none compliance with policy and his anxiety diagnosis.

Walker's local Waitrose appeal has failed (we don't know if there were any previous written/verbal warnings on his record or any Occupational Health advice that must be complied with).

However Walker does have the right to take his case to a tribunal for unfair dismissal, supported by his union, if he feels Waitrose has acted unfairly.

A sad case.

. , a shop assistant at a branch of Waitrose in Clapham Junction, south London, was going about his normal duties when a customer stopped him. “They told me someone had filled up a Waitrose bag with the eggs,” he said.

The 54-year-old said the shoplifter was a repeat offender. After spotting the thief, he “grabbed the bag” from the shoplifter, who snatched it back and, he said, there was a struggle for a few seconds before it snapped. The Lindt Gold Bunny Easter eggs, which retail for £13 each, fell to the floor and the shoplifter made a dash for the exit. Smith said one of the bunnies broke into pieces. He picked a piece and “threw it out of frustration” towards some shopping trolleys, not aiming it at the shoplifter, he said.

He was told off by his manager and apologised but the matter was escalated. Smith said he was previously told not to approach shoplifters but the toll of seeing them get away with theft repeatedly spurred him into action. “I’ve been there 17 years. I’ve seen it happen every hour of every day for the last five years,” he said.

“It’s everybody from drug addicts to teenagers nicking bits and bobs or walking out with bottles of wine in their arms. We’re not allowed to do anything.”

He said security had been scaled back in the shop, with no guards working on Mondays and Tuesday because “shoplifting incidents aren’t reported enough”. This left non-security staff, including Smith, on the frontline of the problem.

Despite this, Smith said he regretted how he acted. “When I got home I was punching myself and thinking: ‘Why did I do that,’” he said.

After a few days, he was hauled into a meeting with two store managers. “I had a feeling about what was going to happen,” he said. He made a final plea, telling his bosses “Waitrose is like my family” but he was still dismissed.

“I tried to stay strong and I didn’t say a word but inside I was crying. They led me out the back door by the bins. I just felt demoralised,” he said. Smith has been diagnosed with anxiety, which he said his managers were aware of.

Before being sacked he had recently moved into his own studio flat after living with flatmates for 25 years. He worries about how he will keep a roof over his head. “I’m not too sure what’s going to happen with this place now. I might be homeless. My confidence is on the floor right now,” he said.

“Waitrose is like my family. My friends are there. I was there for 17 years, I must have been doing something right. I’m not a bad or violent or aggressive person. I just got frustrated seeing this day in and day out and not seeing Waitrose do much about it.”

Retail businesses, particularly supermarkets, have seen an increase in shoplifting. In England and Wales, there were 519,381 shoplifting offences in the year to September 2025, up 5% from 492,660 the previous year, according to data from the Office for National Statistics.

These numbers are narrowly below the record levels seen in the 12 months to March 2025, when a total of 530,643 offences were recorded.

In February, the retail trade union Usdaw said workers faced “unacceptable” levels of violence and abuse, with “evidence showing that two-thirds of attacks on retail staff are being triggered by theft or armed robbery”.

On Friday, the chief executive of Marks & Spencer, Stuart Machin, called on the government and London’s mayor to crack down on retail crime, saying it has become “more brazen, more organised and more aggressive”.

A Waitrose spokesperson said: “We take the safety and security of our customers and our partners incredibly seriously and to do this we have policies in place which our partners are aware of and required to follow.

“In reference to the point on guarding – we make absolutely sure that our shops have appropriate levels of guarding and this is constantly adjusted according to the level of risk.”

The spokesperson said the policies must be strictly followed because of the potentially serious danger to life in tackling shoplifters. “As a responsible employer, we never want to be in a position where we are notifying families of a tragedy because someone tried to stop a theft. Nothing we sell is worth risking lives for.”

The spokesperson added that they could not discuss individual cases but the correct process was being followed, which included a standard appeals process.

Thanks for the voice of sanity, it's appreciated. I appear to be the only person who read it.

Galaxy Wed 08-Apr-26 12:57:52

I read it, I read the whole report elsewhere. I don't think this approach is working as a policy/strategy.

LemonJam Wed 08-Apr-26 13:30:13

Galaxy 12.57. Waitrose position is its policy stops staff being injured, possibly severely or fatally injured. It may also be an insurance policy requirement by insurers who would have to pay out compensation to injured staff- potentially great sums of money is said member of staff severely or fatally injured.

What would be your measure of success for an alternative policy/approach whereby staff and members of the public are encouraged to intervene with shoplifters as shadow minister Chris Philp suggested? Cost savings of reduced shoplifting? However injury compensation claim pay outs may be higher and equally passed onto customers.

I guess on this occasion the value of the Lindt bunnies the shoplifter seemingly sought to steal was saved as the shop lifter ran off- around £100 block purchase cost to Waitrose possibly? However if the value of the Lindt bunnies was saved in the same way but the shop worker or a member of the public was severely or fatally injured by the shop lifter in the incident, who was armed with a knife or other weapon, would that be evidence of success or failure? Compensation cost to member of staff or public would far outweigh the £100 Lindt bunny value.

What is more important to you Galaxy the value of the goods or the safety of the staff and members of the public?

janeainsworth Wed 08-Apr-26 13:50:04

Allira
Straw man argument!
It wasn’t an ‘argument’. It was a comment.

Galaxy Thu 09-Apr-26 20:44:47

I meant as a society rather than as a waitrose specific policy. I am sure it will all work out well though, I am sure tolerating increasing shoplifting will have no impact on people's lives. I am sure people working 40 hours a week in a care home seeing others shoplifting with impunity won't have any impact on the fabric of society.

Allira Thu 09-Apr-26 22:19:59

LemonJam

Galaxy 12.57. Waitrose position is its policy stops staff being injured, possibly severely or fatally injured. It may also be an insurance policy requirement by insurers who would have to pay out compensation to injured staff- potentially great sums of money is said member of staff severely or fatally injured.

What would be your measure of success for an alternative policy/approach whereby staff and members of the public are encouraged to intervene with shoplifters as shadow minister Chris Philp suggested? Cost savings of reduced shoplifting? However injury compensation claim pay outs may be higher and equally passed onto customers.

I guess on this occasion the value of the Lindt bunnies the shoplifter seemingly sought to steal was saved as the shop lifter ran off- around £100 block purchase cost to Waitrose possibly? However if the value of the Lindt bunnies was saved in the same way but the shop worker or a member of the public was severely or fatally injured by the shop lifter in the incident, who was armed with a knife or other weapon, would that be evidence of success or failure? Compensation cost to member of staff or public would far outweigh the £100 Lindt bunny value.

What is more important to you Galaxy the value of the goods or the safety of the staff and members of the public?

What is more important to you Galaxy the value of the goods or the safety of the staff and members of the public?

That means, though, that we should, as a society, accept shoplifting as the norm.
The possibility of someone carrying a knife as the norm.

We should not.

LemonJam Fri 10-Apr-26 01:34:26

Allira 22.19.

Nobody has said society should accept shoplifting as 'the norm'. Sadly shoplifting does happen. Some shoplifters sadly may may be carrying weapons and some may become aggressive if confronted and challenged.

NotSpaghetti Fri 10-Apr-26 01:36:46

You really aren't the only one butterandjam
Some of us have probably just said "no point" by now.
Sometimes I just walk away.
flowers
Thank you - (and the other condiment)
grin
Thanks LemonJam

David49 Fri 10-Apr-26 09:41:14

Overseas some stores you have to use a card to get in and a coded receipt to get out, its just like getting on a train, checked in checked out.

That's the way it will have to go.

eazybee Fri 10-Apr-26 10:01:56

For all the fine words, theft is being condoned, and the prospect of theft with violence recognised, by a leading retailer.
Honesty counts for nothing.

David49 Fri 10-Apr-26 10:26:23

eazybee

For all the fine words, theft is being condoned, and the prospect of theft with violence recognised, by a leading retailer.
Honesty counts for nothing.

Honesty cannot be relied on that's why we have locks on our doors and security systems, to stop criminals we need to have finger prints and eye scans.
The professionals cannot be stopped, they will always find a way round any security, but you can stop the casual toerags.

Allira Fri 10-Apr-26 11:19:22

LemonJam

Allira 22.19.

Nobody has said society should accept shoplifting as 'the norm'. Sadly shoplifting does happen. Some shoplifters sadly may may be carrying weapons and some may become aggressive if confronted and challenged.

My post made a valid point.

Shoplifting has become the norm.
Supermarkets can carry the loss by passing it on to customers but owners of small shops may be struggling because it is not just one or two items being lifted, gangs will clear whole shelves and the shopkeepers and assistants are helpless and left in fear.

We should not be accepting this as the norm.

Allira Fri 10-Apr-26 11:21:48

NotSpaghetti

You really aren't the only one butterandjam
Some of us have probably just said "no point" by now.
Sometimes I just walk away.
flowers
Thank you - (and the other condiment)
grin
Thanks LemonJam

I'm glad you all find it amusing.

However, hiding your head in the sand and laughing might be best as there is nothing we can do.

TerriBull Fri 10-Apr-26 13:07:51

Absolutely agree Allira "shoplifting has become the norm" When they went soft on that in the US, steal up to a thousand dollars worth without fear of prosecution. Some businesses voted with their feet and shut up shop literally. Which just adds to the general going down hill some major cities have suffered.

LemonJam Fri 10-Apr-26 14:18:35

Allira 22.19: What is more important to you Galaxy the value of the goods or the safety of the staff and members of the public?

'That means, though, that we should, as a society, accept shoplifting as the norm. The possibility of someone carrying a knife as the norm. We should not".

Definition 'norm'-
1) " an accepted standard or way of behaving or doing things that most people agree with ( Cambridge dictionary)
2) a standard or achivement or behaviour that is required , desired or designated (Collins dictionary).

I repeat, no one has actually said that society should accept shoplifting as "the norm".

NotSpaghetti Fri 10-Apr-26 14:24:02

Allira I wasn't laughing at the situation but had noticed both people were jams!

I'm sorry that I found that a little amusing - I wasn't trying to irritate.

Allira Fri 10-Apr-26 14:57:50

NotSpaghetti

Allira I wasn't laughing at the situation but had noticed both people were jams!

I'm sorry that I found that a little amusing - I wasn't trying to irritate.

Oh, I missed that and misunderstood. Sorry!

Think I need to log off for a few days 😁

Beechnut Fri 10-Apr-26 15:02:56

Has anyone seen the cartoon that Matt has done ?

Allira Fri 10-Apr-26 15:06:37

Beechnut

Has anyone seen the cartoon that Matt has done ?

Just looked and found it on Facebook 😂

Some wit has commented:
"Shouldn't that be "steal a framed print etc."

Beechnut Fri 10-Apr-26 15:09:41

Allira

Beechnut

Has anyone seen the cartoon that Matt has done ?

Just looked and found it on Facebook 😂

Some wit has commented:
"Shouldn't that be "steal a framed print etc."

I saw it on instagram and didn’t think to read any comments. 🙄

Labradora Fri 10-Apr-26 18:03:05

Greenfinch

He may have been wrong but he does not deserve to be sacked.

Yes I agree with that.
They could have given him a formal warning surely.
Waitrose could have issued a reminder on their confidential company intranet reminding employees not to tackle shoplifters for their own safety and on pain of disciplinary action.
All this is horrible for communities and for the national psychological well being.
How did we get here ?

StTrinians Fri 10-Apr-26 18:24:27

I read this with disbelief. Surely the staff have to intervene, or the shoplifters will get away with it. What am I missing? So, yes, I will no longer go to Waitrose.

David49 Fri 10-Apr-26 19:40:16

StTrinians

I read this with disbelief. Surely the staff have to intervene, or the shoplifters will get away with it. What am I missing? So, yes, I will no longer go to Waitrose.

It's not just a Waitrose problem, all supermarket would have similar rules, if staff ignore the rules they can expect to be disciplined. Staff safety must come first.

Most of these thieves are not shoplifting because they can't afford food, they are doing it to sell to others to make money.
Schoolchildren are mostly doing it because they are bored and know they can get away with it.

Jaxjacky Fri 10-Apr-26 20:29:58

Labradora

Greenfinch

He may have been wrong but he does not deserve to be sacked.

Yes I agree with that.
They could have given him a formal warning surely.
Waitrose could have issued a reminder on their confidential company intranet reminding employees not to tackle shoplifters for their own safety and on pain of disciplinary action.
All this is horrible for communities and for the national psychological well being.
How did we get here ?

Do you know if he was on his second or third warning? I don't think this was made public either way, so it’s all conjecture.