When is a royal tour, not a royal tour?

I don’t follow what he and his wife say or do, what they wear or where they go. I am talking in general terms about mental ill health whether prince or pauper.

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He's shown zero kindness, care and some consideration to the people that he thrust into the public domain without checking with them first. Nor did he to his family when he revealed highly personal details that had no business being revealed to anyone. And as to whether he treated Sophie Chandauka with kindness, care and some consideration, it might be best to ask her.

You'd like to think that, if someone has experienced poor mental health and emotional fragility, they might have some empathy and recognition for how others ought to be treated. But apparently not.

Silvershadow

Perhaps people would treat him with kindness, care and compassion if he and his wife treated others similarly. But they don’t.

Well said.

Other people have feelings too, royal or not. They must feel very hurt.

You'd like to think that, if someone has experienced poor mental health and emotional fragility, they might have some empathy and recognition for how others ought to be treated. But apparently not.

No, unfortunately it can mean they are introspective and can only think of themselves and their feelings, not of others.

RosiesMawagain

DaisyAnneReturns

The first time the word "performative" was used it was part of my post:"

"By listing these activities in a slightly dismissive way, the question reframes them as trivial or performative but in reality, they’re central to what these tours are meant to achieve: visibility for causes, soft diplomacy, and public engagement."

It that wasn't what the OP intended it shouldn't be impossible for them to explain what the did intend.

Tours @DAR are by definition something official, unless of course you refer to package tours.
Harry and Meghan may have a ducal title, but that does not render their trip to Australia an an “official” tour any more than a holiday to Majorca by eg the Duke of Plaza Toro or, indeed by George and Amal Clooney.
They opted out of the working royal team, that does not entitle them to selectively opt back.
They are not there in any official capacity.
It’s as easy as that.

I think in a way, RosiesMawagain, that that is the very conundrum the OP is highlighting. Several posters have grasped the paradox, referring to the tour as a "quasi royal" or a "pseudo royal" tour.

On the surface it looks very much like a royal tour, but it very much can't be, due to its commercial aspect.

True royalty doesn't care about status, it doesn't need to promote itself because noblesse oblige. Harry and Meghan desperately want to emulate this concept, but there's far too much back story and baggage that all the shaking of hands and waving in the world won't bring them anywhere close. Yet they continue to mimic it for their own ends. And that's what makes them appear so trivial to most people.

Martav what a good explanation 👍

Granatlast007

That was the story Allira, if the Royal Family had been kinder to Diana, I'd have believed it a little more. It was a turning point in the way they had to behave, the Queen even toned down her posh accent after that.

As for your last comment, you sound quite stiff upper lip yourself, those days have moved on thank goodness.

Thanks for understanding my reason for sympathy towards Harry, says it all, what a lot of bitterness there is being held in the population towards anyone who doesn't kow tow.

Do you not think that Diana, Princess of Wales, was posh too?
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The Royal Family tried very hard with Diana, evidenced by letters and other documents.

As for your last comment, you sound quite stiff upper lip yourself, those days have moved on thank goodness.

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Oh, how funny.
I am terribly, terribly posh though! 😂

Goodness knows what your reading and viewing matter is, but it is really extremely biased.
FYI I did like Diana but I could see her flaws. She had an unhappy childhood, poor girl, which left her with real problems. I felt sorry for them both because I can look at the situation objectively and it was not a match made in Heaven.

Some of your pots are verging on the ridiculous, btw.

As for your last comment, you sound quite stiff upper lip yourself, those days have moved on thank goodness.

Oh, I see what you mean by your post, Granatlast.
It is because I stand by what I posted:

The weeping public. 😡
No empathy. No kindness. Yes, awful, just awful.
The public just wanted a piece of them.

Yes, I thought it was terrible to subject those two boys to that. Those weeping, wailing people who were there, trying to clutch at those two poor boys as if they were public property and their terrible grief was theirs?
That does not make me stiff upper lip, in fact it shows I have more compassion and empathy than any of those there, trying to touch those poor boys and subjecting them to their crocodile tears. It must have been horrific for them.

No wonder Harry fled from it all.

MartavTaurus

RosiesMawagain

DaisyAnneReturns

The first time the word "performative" was used it was part of my post:"

"By listing these activities in a slightly dismissive way, the question reframes them as trivial or performative but in reality, they’re central to what these tours are meant to achieve: visibility for causes, soft diplomacy, and public engagement."

It that wasn't what the OP intended it shouldn't be impossible for them to explain what the did intend.

Tours @DAR are by definition something official, unless of course you refer to package tours.
Harry and Meghan may have a ducal title, but that does not render their trip to Australia an an “official” tour any more than a holiday to Majorca by eg the Duke of Plaza Toro or, indeed by George and Amal Clooney.
They opted out of the working royal team, that does not entitle them to selectively opt back.
They are not there in any official capacity.
It’s as easy as that.

I think in a way, RosiesMawagain, that that is the very conundrum the OP is highlighting. Several posters have grasped the paradox, referring to the tour as a "quasi royal" or a "pseudo royal" tour.

On the surface it looks very much like a royal tour, but it very much can't be, due to its commercial aspect.

True royalty doesn't care about status, it doesn't need to promote itself because noblesse oblige. Harry and Meghan desperately want to emulate this concept, but there's far too much back story and baggage that all the shaking of hands and waving in the world won't bring them anywhere close. Yet they continue to mimic it for their own ends. And that's what makes them appear so trivial to most people.

I do wonder if this is something Harry chose to do?

Seeing children with cancer beaming makes me care less about H&M's motives and just happy to see the joy they brought those kids.

HAM . Harry and Meggy the brand.
They will do anything to turn a shilling. They even put Fergie and Beckhams in the shade.

I lived in Australia in the late Seventies for a short while.When Pom and Royalty Bashing was mandatory and daily fayre.

The country has changed radically since then. But it still has little Culture and is very isolated.

However, we now live in the Digital Celeb Age. Especially for younger people. Where being famous is the be all and end all of the World.

The most interesting Celebs
to come from down under were Dame Edna Everidge and Les Patterson.
(Not forgetting Germaine Greer and Clive James)

Let the ex royals get on with showing themselves up with their silly Court Jester antics.

I'm just waiting for them to do a camp fire presentation near Ayres Rock where they sing Tie me Kangaroo Down Sport and Waltzing Mathilda holding wobble boards.

Dame Edna would have loved sending them up. What a pair of Royal Chavs.

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He is a traitor to his country, his regiment, his family.
All titles + LofS need to go!

Its not just young people who think that the Royal Family has outlived it's function.

Presumably those who turned out to see them did so because they wanted to and enjoyed it. I see no problem.

When visiting hospitals does one want to see the patients or have patients brought to foyer to see visitors

I was surprised they received such a welcome, tbh...I thought most Australians didn't care about royalty fake or real.
But, hey ho, the constant photos and stories provide lots of distraction and entertainment for me.

absent

Its not just young people who think that the Royal Family has outlived it's function.

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Calendargirl

In answer to the question in the title…..

When it’s carried out by H&M, who are no longer working royals, only when it suits.

Great play on words there, Calendargirl, made me laugh, anyway…

merlotgran

I don’t think Harry is doing Archie any favours by publicly declaring that he felt a disconnection between them while Meghan was pregnant, struggled with fatherhood and needed to ‘cleanse’ himself of his past.

Poor kid, having such a self obsessed father and a mother who encourages it.

I seem to remember that pre Meghan, Harry made no secret of the fact that he couldn’t wait to have children of his own. 🤔

Everybody needs and deserves a private life. I am surprised that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex did the Australian publicity voluntarily, unless they earned badly -needed money from it. I wonder how hard up the couple are.

Meghan has announced that ‘for 10 years she was the most trolled person in the world, but she’s ‘still here’.

Of course she is.

Well, she had to be "the most" at something Calendargirl and, as it's never going to be the most popular/authentic/honest/genuine/talented/liked........ that pretty much just leaves "trolled". So be it.

Allira

^You'd like to think that, if someone has experienced poor mental health and emotional fragility, they might have some empathy and recognition for how others ought to be treated. But apparently not.^

No, unfortunately it can mean they are introspective and can only think of themselves and their feelings, not of others.

In other words they’re a totally self absorbed pair.

Your post did make me laugh Cardamom . Maybe being known as the 'most' for something is better than nothing .

Basgetti

absent

Its not just young people who think that the Royal Family has outlived it's function.

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Yes, bring it on, let's have a Presidential system!
I hear Trump wants to take over the UK, Europe as well as the USA!

Brilliant 👏👏👏
Can't wait.

H&M are not working Royals so they are just celebs now anyway. .

This thread makes me wonder if I have done the right thing coming back to Gransnet.

On the one hand I normally enjoy the differing views expressed about topical subjects, and I find the advice and experiences on the Health forum very valuable, but this pile-on seems unreasonably unpleasant. Kinder comments excepted, of course.

What happens if the King reconciles with his son and they are encouraged to return to the UK, in whatever capacity?

Remember there are two children here. The amount of weird hatred being stirred up could easily lead to danger or tragedy in public situations.

We don't have to share their views or values, or even be supporters of the Royal Family which appears to many of us as an expensive, outdated, quirky establishment. We have to recognise, however, that they are human beings like our own sons and daughters

If you don't like them, perhaps ignore all the hype, especially in newspapers who like to post one side as saintly and angelic and the other side as wrong in all things. It's rarely like that - even for the famous and wealthy - but it sells papers.

I also can't understand why it bothers some people so much that other countries and organisations make them welcome. I think I do understand, though, why they stay away from the UK as a family.