King Charles - job well done

Allira

vegansrock

I’m not a monarchist remotely but well done Charles and his speechwriters. I wonder if Trump understood the message though. Trump subsequently has posted a photo of them together with the caption “two kings” ( yuk).

Oh, for goodness' sake.
He is delusional.

Buckingham Palace also had to issue a clarification of what Trump claimed King Charles said about stopping Iran having nuclear weapons.
We know he will not have said exactly that.

& we all know Trump isn't the world's best listener - & wouldn't deign to take notes to compensate for this shortcoming, or read them back if anyone else did so for him.

Of course Charles did not write the speech - but it was a good speech covering many things the government wanted said.
However, it is scary how Trump needs his ego massaging by people he thinks important. The man is so unstable he could cause WW3
and appears to be trying to.

We are not in the North Atlantic.

If the President was so ‘in awe’, then he would probably not have called him ‘Charles’, but would have said ‘King Charles’.

Whatever, Donald sees himself as Charles’ BFF now.

I'm no royalist far from it in fact but I thought Charles speech was outstanding, In especially loved the humour laced through it,so subtle at times Trump will wake up one morning and think wait a minute that was a joke at my expense

I listened to his speech an heaard about defence spending and F35s We. Don't need to spend more on defence.

The book The Monstrous Anger of the Guns.

We are seeing injustices caused by war and occupation unfold in real-time via social media, and we are speaking out in our millions against these horrors. Yet, from Gaza to Ukraine, the bombs continue to fall. We must understand why this is happening if we are to end it.

Monstrous Anger of the Guns lays bare the dark and deceitful world of the global arms trade, which, often funded in our name, is a business that counts its profits in billions and its losses in human lives. Leading activists and campaigners connect the dots, showing how notions of citizenship, democracy and trust in governments are misguided, and how we can fight back by building mass movements, using direct action and legal justice to end the flow of weapons and the environmental and human devastation they bring.

On the subject of the royals Gordon Brown hs written a piece in the Statesman about Andrew there should be no cover ups and about the huge amount he spent while trade envoy.

Disgusted that Trump has said King Charles would have followed him into the Iran war.
It is against all protocol to repeat any private conversations but of course this is Trump and he's adept at twisting words to suit his own agenda.

AGAA4, I was about to post this but you beat me to it. I wouldn't believe a word he says. I'm sure King Charles will have a diplomatic response to him or ignore it as the posturing of a stupid old man. Of course, Trump is getting at Starmer and attempting to create division. He has no understanding of how these things work here at all.

It is very unlikely that KC will have said any such thing.

StoneofDestiny

Of course Charles did not write the speech - but it was a good speech covering many things the government wanted said.
However, it is scary how Trump needs his ego massaging by people he thinks important. The man is so unstable he could cause WW3
and appears to be trying to.

He would have had a lot of input into the speech even if he did not write it word for word.
That was obvious.

Geordiegirl1

We are not in the North Atlantic.

🤔

We were last time I looked at a map.

Luckygirl3

It is very unlikely that KC will have said any such thing.

I doubt that very much.
In fact, I'm positive he didn't say that. As for other things Trump claims that Charles said to him privately, Trump will twist those to suit his own agenda, if he in fact listened properly and understood any of the conversation.

This gave me a chuckle this morning!

Yes, FriedGreenTomatoes2, this made me laugh as well.

This man didn't write the speech. There would have been a number of individuals responsible for it. He is likely to have had a say in it, that is all. In the end the contents of that speech will not make a jot of difference to the way Trump behaves towards the UK or the world in general.

I think the refusal of Charles to meet Epstein's abuse victims should be remembered here. Some nonsensical excuse about it being inappropriate due to an ongoing investigation. It would have been a legitimate excuse if he was going to be a witness, but that is hardly likely. It's a slap in the face to the survivors and I would had more respect for him if he had.

This was a pointless trip at taxpayers expense. Still the royal family are A1 at costing us money.

I think the refusal of Charles to meet Epstein's abuse victims should be remembered here
Yes, it should be remembered as absolutely the right decision.

This was a pointless trip at taxpayers expense.

It was absolutely not pointless. It was a triumph of diplomacy, much needed at this time.

Not quite sure why some people expected him to meet Epstein survivors? I’m not responsible for the sins of my brother.

With her history, may have been appropriate for Camilla to do so.

Why do people always think that everything must reflect everything else.? This was a state visit by a monarch who handled it so well, he was the absolute epitome of Britishness at its finest. It takes Britain to put on a show - just look at the opening of the 2012 Olympics in London. His speech was perfectly written, perfectly timed and perfectly delivered. Well done KC! You did us proud!

Allira

^I think the refusal of Charles to meet Epstein's abuse victims should be remembered here^
Yes, it should be remembered as absolutely the right decision.

This was a pointless trip at taxpayers expense.

It was absolutely not pointless. It was a triumph of diplomacy, much needed at this time.

100% agree Allira. Those with an agenda will blindfold themselves to anything but their own view. On balance I didn't want the King and Queen to make this visit, and haven't watched any of it, only read snippets. I thought the visit would appear as an endorsement of Trump. It is obvious they have both done a tremendous job in calming some turbulent waters without in any way compromising the UK's stance. I'm very happy to admit I was wrong, it was absolutely the correct decision to go ahead with it.

AGAA4

Disgusted that Trump has said King Charles would have followed him into the Iran war.
It is against all protocol to repeat any private conversations but of course this is Trump and he's adept at twisting words to suit his own agenda.

I knew that Trump would try to show the King’s visit as supporting his illegal war on Iran.
The King will have been briefed to not comment upon the war and certainly not to give an opinion. Though at his age and having been in service to the crown for so long the King will know this already.
Trump is lying. It is his MO.

No doubt a collaboratively constructed speech, yet most likely with Charles having edit rights. No matter, it was very well delivered- and received with a standing ovation on both sides of Congress. A great achievement, soft diplomacy at it's very best and at a time most needed.

This man didn't write the speech. There would have been a number of individuals responsible for it. He is likely to have had a say in it, that is all.
Did you not watch BBC News at 6 last night? It was reported that the King wrote the first draft for the speech. Tweaking and adding to it was a collaborative effort between the Palace and the government. Apparently Charles had a huge input, not just a little say in it.

Smileless2012

I wonder if the speech would have been as challenging if he had been aided by our government; somehow I don't think so.

Probably jointly written by the Foreign Office and the Palace. Apparently Charles takes the versions of speeches they have written for him and edits them himself, but he speaks as a representative of the UK Government, not as an individual, so what he said publicly echoes what the Government wants to say but can't.

Regarding Epstein survivors - He mentioned them obliquely in his speech to Congress. There would not have been time in this busy state visit to give true attention to a meeting with them, but they were not ignored.

*Smileless2012

hmm I wonder if the speech would have been as challenging if he had been aided by our government; somehow I don't think so.*

I am not sure what this means. The speech will absolutely have been created in conjunction with the government. No monarch can go off at a tangent on an official visit and say anything that is not government approved.