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GrannyGravy13

Galaxy

If you are unable to define women it is quite difficult to tackle womens issues I would have thought.
But bless them I am sure it will go well.

HH and her then husband were part of what is now called Liberty

Very strange views on women, and ^age of consent^

That was a very long time ago, GG13 and it seems she expressed regret for it.

She and her husband worked for Liberty, which did not express the views you don't name. That was an affiliated group.

Liberty has since become the National Council for Civil Liberties. Is it constantly being reminded about affiliating this group?

Forgot the 12 year old link

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/25/harriet-harman-regrets-employer-link-paedophile-lobbyists

Yes I am sure in a few years time she will also be regretting her stance on women's spaces, it shows a similar failing actually, lack of bravery ( and I don't criticise her too much on that, political bravery is extraordinarily rare) and a failure to look beyond be kind and think critically.

Both Harman and Brown have been brought in as advisors on 2 portfolios. But Starmer needs some big ideas that will capture the public imagination - fast.

Harmon and Brown provide a symbolic message but little more really in the current situation. We can deflect with personal adverse opinions on B and H’s past misdemeanours but they are not the future neither do they provide the solution.

So Catherine West has now called for the PM to stand down. Does she not realise that Farage will claim this as a victory given that his council election campaign called for Starmer to go and is now controlling the narrative. Playing into his hands…

... but simply too thick to work that out ....

LemonJam

Both Harman and Brown have been brought in as advisors on 2 portfolios. But Starmer needs some big ideas that will capture the public imagination - fast.

Harmon and Brown provide a symbolic message but little more really in the current situation. We can deflect with personal adverse opinions on B and H’s past misdemeanours but they are not the future neither do they provide the solution.

I can't see that either of those portfolios is going to enthuse anyone.

MaizieD- I agree.

I don’t, but it’s fine to disagree about these things. I’ve got a lot of time for both of them, and I think they have good political instincts which are needed.

Quote LemonJam Sat 09-May-26 16:46:01
Both Harman and Brown have been brought in as advisors on 2 portfolios. But Starmer needs some big ideas that will capture the public imagination - fast.

Harmon and Brown provide a symbolic message but little more really in the current situation. We can deflect with personal adverse opinions on B and H’s past misdemeanours but they are not the future neither do they provide the solution.

Brown and Harman are both 75 years old, they are too of the past for you ?

1) Are those 2 portfolios the big ideas that will successfully resonate as turnaround priorities with the public and Starmer’s detractors?
2) will B and H be able to deliver within a necessary timescale sufficient to strengthen Starmer against potential leadership challengers?

I suspect not….

I like one of them and think the other is deeply unpleasant. However none of that matters, their age is irrelevant, it isn't going to work.

Well one thing is sure, we will see. I don’t share the apocalyptic view of the future.

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

Galaxy

If you are unable to define women it is quite difficult to tackle womens issues I would have thought.
But bless them I am sure it will go well.

HH and her then husband were part of what is now called Liberty

Very strange views on women, and ^age of consent^

That was a very long time ago, GG13 and it seems she expressed regret for it.

She and her husband worked for Liberty, which did not express the views you don't name. That was an affiliated group.

Liberty has since become the National Council for Civil Liberties. Is it constantly being reminded about affiliating this group?

The problem is that the public, and more importantly, the media do not forget.

I'd be sorry to see Starmer go but he has made mistakes in domestic politics, although has proved himself in international politics recently.
However, voters may be more concerned about what affects them directly than conflicts elsewhere.

The problem is that the public, and more importantly, the media do not forget.

Really 😮?

It would help if they remembered accurately instead of half the story...

😁

Well, that's another story.
But if there have been misdemeanors the media will not forget and will remind the public.

Allira

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

Galaxy

If you are unable to define women it is quite difficult to tackle womens issues I would have thought.
But bless them I am sure it will go well.

HH and her then husband were part of what is now called Liberty

Very strange views on women, and ^age of consent^

That was a very long time ago, GG13 and it seems she expressed regret for it.

She and her husband worked for Liberty, which did not express the views you don't name. That was an affiliated group.

Liberty has since become the National Council for Civil Liberties. Is it constantly being reminded about affiliating this group?

The problem is that the public, and more importantly, the media do not forget.

I'd be sorry to see Starmer go but he has made mistakes in domestic politics, although has proved himself in international politics recently.
However, voters may be more concerned about what affects them directly than conflicts elsewhere.

Over all: I worked for the then NCCL in 1976 with Harriet Harman: I was on a year's project

and it was the NCCL then and is NOW called Liberty, since 1989

There were loads of weird ideas floating round at that time and people are well beyond the wild '70's years!

Harman has long since established herself as fairly middle of the road.

We were both the same age and

I think one is allowed to change ideas after nearly 50 years somewhat?

Yes, of course, Wyllow.

However, the media is like an elephant - never forgets and the public is influenced by the media, like it or not.

And her TWAW stuff is exactly the same so she she hasn't grown and developed has she. She has shown an inability to assess ideas and reject them as either dangerous, insane or both.

And there were a number of people at the time who were secure enough in their beliefs to challenge Pie.

Unfortunately being in the public eye , whether that eye is politics, entertainment or industry means that any act, decision or idea past or present will never be forgotten.

Now with the internet and social media platforms there is no place to hide.

Galaxy

And there were a number of people at the time who were secure enough in their beliefs to challenge Pie.

It's Liberty which needs the opprobrium, it was they who affiliated PIE, not Harman.

Allira

😁

Well, that's another story.
But if there have been misdemeanors the media will not forget and will remind the public.

Farage has had many, many misdemeanors reported by the press; many, many more than Harman and some of a very concerning nature. The media is not focussing on any misdemeanours of Harmon way back in the 1970s this weekend.

Either issues years ago are relevant or they are not, it can't be different for each individual.

What people consider important is different for each individual. A deal breaker for one of us, when we look at a politician in the round, has no impact at all on the view of that politician of somebody else.