Andy Burnham has plan to return to Westminster ‘within weeks’. Allies sayGreater Manchester mayor said to have identified seats where MPs would step aside to allow leadership bid.

Rayner and her tax issues , now apparently cleared btw shouldn’t preclude her from also coming forward to have a go and opposing Wes Streeting.
I can see that MP’s would prefer Streeting but members would prefer Rayner.
All of them would prefer Burnham but he’s not in the running just now.

Exactly, DAR. Facts are irrelevant to the folk who can’t forgive Angela for dragging herself out of deprivation and poverty to do something positive with her life

Whether or not there is a leadership challenge I am pretty clear in my mind what I would prefer to happen.

The worst time to change a Prime Minister is during times of war and chaos.

We need to present a stable, strong face to the world, and constant changing of the PM certainly does not present that.

If however a leadership challenge materialises, in making a decision regarding the next Prime Minister, I would like to see in depth discussions regarding policies, both domestic snd international. I want to see much more discipline and seriousness from the potential contenders.

I want to hear how they intend to tackle Reform, and what they need to do to bring back those Labour voters that have defaulted to Reform and indeed Green.

We need time, steady process and serious politics, not Tory politics where panic is the order of the day and the hope that change of leadership will work - well, how did that go?

Great post Whitewavemark2

DaisyAnneReturns

Great post Whitewavemark2

That is indeed what is needed and wheat many have been advocating.

The real question is HOW do we make this happen?

Yes. Good post Whitewave

Now that I’ve had some sleep ( haven’t been able to sleep with all this going on) this is my dream scenario. Ed Milliband as PM. I saw a picture of him in parliament the other day; now that he’s older he looks so ministerial…reminded me of when I saw Michael Heseltine and felt that I should curtesy when in front of him. And there is talk of him having the job, something that hadn’t crossed my mind till recently. Keir as Foreign Secretary, because the country needs him negotiating with other countries; it’s what he does best. Yvette Cooper as Home Secretary. And stick all the Judas’s on the back benches for perpetuity. I don’t understand why Streeting thinks he should be PM; he’s in a marginal constituency, he has links with private health companies and Mandelson. I think the fact that he’s shown himself to be a good communicator has gone to his head and he thinks he’s better than he actually is.

I bet he doesn’t get it.

I’m looking at someone completely different - Al Carns - not even sure he wants the job, tbh.

I like Miliband - but not sure that the country does?

Trying to learn from these past couple of years.

So someone whose slate is clean

Someone who has a degree of charisma with the voter - I know - but unfortunately it is necessary it seems to me.

Then begin to look at their policies.

I know that is a..s about t..t but unfort7nately they are important.

I rather like Darren Jones but did look to him as a future PM.

MayBee70

I rather like Darren Jones but did look to him as a future PM.

I like DJ too, but whilst I think he'll go far I don't think he's ready yet. I could be wrong, but he only seems to have been on the media circuit since the GE? Of all to the possibilities I'd like AB to get it (if there is an 'it' to get), and then Miliband, although like you I hadn't considered him until today.

Right I’ll have a look at Darron Jones

He worked tirelessly on behalf of the postmasters. My partner has been eulogising about him for a long time as he followed the postmaster scandal closely.

I’m looking at someone completely different - Al Carns - not even sure he wants the job, tbh.

Oh, I suspect he wants the job. I've just looked at the New Statesman.

A Website “alcarnsforleader.co.uk” was apparently registered in February this year. Having said that, I tried to access it and it doesn't seem to be live.

Sorry to be the voice of doom ( so unlike me!) but if miliband wins you can pretty much guarantee a reform government. I would say if you don't want that it should be burnham ( and I am not particularly a fan). Oh God have just seen Streetings resignation letter, not Streeting either.

Galaxy

Sorry to be the voice of doom ( so unlike me!) but if miliband wins you can pretty much guarantee a reform government. I would say if you don't want that it should be burnham ( and I am not particularly a fan). Oh God have just seen Streetings resignation letter, not Streeting either.

To be honest I don’t care about the next election which is three years away. I just don’t want the disruptive traitors in the Labour Party to achieve their long term goal. Imo they don’t have the best interest of the country at heart just personal ambition. I will still support my own MP ( who sadly has had to cancel a regular coffee morning for constituents because of personal threats online). I despair of politics these days. And I think it all goes back to the divisions caused by Farage and Brexit.

I don't really see any of them as traitors, and if Miliband stands how is he any less of a traitor than the others.

MayBee70

Now that I’ve had some sleep ( haven’t been able to sleep with all this going on) this is my dream scenario. Ed Milliband as PM. I saw a picture of him in parliament the other day; now that he’s older he looks so ministerial…reminded me of when I saw Michael Heseltine and felt that I should curtesy when in front of him. And there is talk of him having the job, something that hadn’t crossed my mind till recently. Keir as Foreign Secretary, because the country needs him negotiating with other countries; it’s what he does best. Yvette Cooper as Home Secretary. And stick all the Judas’s on the back benches for perpetuity. I don’t understand why Streeting thinks he should be PM; he’s in a marginal constituency, he has links with private health companies and Mandelson. I think the fact that he’s shown himself to be a good communicator has gone to his head and he thinks he’s better than he actually is.

Ed Miliband as PM is my nightmare not dream😲 and would hasten the death of the Labour Party.

Galaxy

I don't really see any of them as traitors, and if Miliband stands how is he any less of a traitor than the others.

He looks so ministerial apparently 😉

Oreo

MayBee70

Now that I’ve had some sleep ( haven’t been able to sleep with all this going on) this is my dream scenario. Ed Milliband as PM. I saw a picture of him in parliament the other day; now that he’s older he looks so ministerial…reminded me of when I saw Michael Heseltine and felt that I should curtesy when in front of him. And there is talk of him having the job, something that hadn’t crossed my mind till recently. Keir as Foreign Secretary, because the country needs him negotiating with other countries; it’s what he does best. Yvette Cooper as Home Secretary. And stick all the Judas’s on the back benches for perpetuity. I don’t understand why Streeting thinks he should be PM; he’s in a marginal constituency, he has links with private health companies and Mandelson. I think the fact that he’s shown himself to be a good communicator has gone to his head and he thinks he’s better than he actually is.

Ed Miliband as PM is my nightmare not dream😲 and would hasten the death of the Labour Party.

Why?

What is wrong with Milliband?

(Genuine question)

He’s more cloth eared than Starmer and is obsessed with green credentials to the point of madness, he would ruin the country.
He is very unpopular with voters, and before anyone sneers at working class voters they have always been the lifeblood of the LP.
He’s also obsessed by the EU.
Now, don’t get me wrong, his obsessions are pleasant hobbies but the average man/ woman in the street just wants all our services to be better, our defences not to be shameful and our businesses such as pubs/ restaurants/ cafes to thrive instead of closing down due to the lack of understanding or support from the government.Clobbering business enterprise has been the bright idea of Starmer and Reeves and Miliband may even be worse.

Is Burnham likely to win that constituency, that doesn't look like a big enough majority to me.

Sorry wrong thread, although not really!

Labour MP. Josh Simons has just announced he is standing down- in support of Burnham. This will result in a bye election and the NEC must decide whether they are going to veto Burnham again or not....

Oreo

MayBee70

Now that I’ve had some sleep ( haven’t been able to sleep with all this going on) this is my dream scenario. Ed Milliband as PM. I saw a picture of him in parliament the other day; now that he’s older he looks so ministerial…reminded me of when I saw Michael Heseltine and felt that I should curtesy when in front of him. And there is talk of him having the job, something that hadn’t crossed my mind till recently. Keir as Foreign Secretary, because the country needs him negotiating with other countries; it’s what he does best. Yvette Cooper as Home Secretary. And stick all the Judas’s on the back benches for perpetuity. I don’t understand why Streeting thinks he should be PM; he’s in a marginal constituency, he has links with private health companies and Mandelson. I think the fact that he’s shown himself to be a good communicator has gone to his head and he thinks he’s better than he actually is.

Ed Miliband as PM is my nightmare not dream😲 and would hasten the death of the Labour Party.

I think it’s some Labour Party members/supporters who are hastening the death of the party. Starmer was being criticised by some right from the start…

Who said Miliband?? IMO he’s been a disaster for this country. If not for his arrogance and hubris in thinking he was PM material, when he should have understood that the harder left doesn’t win UK elections, we might well have had David Miliband as PM - we wouldn’t have had Cameron and we probably wouldn’t have had Brexit.