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MV Honduis another casualty.

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Sago Tue 05-May-26 13:25:18

I’m praying for all the passengers on the MV Honduis, I can’t imagine how frightening it must be for all the passengers and crew.

I fully understand the authorities in Cape Verde not allowing passengers to disembark, it could be another Covid all over again.

I guess the ship is basically a floating quarantine station, I just don’t know what the solution is.

According to the news a British crew member (doctor) is seriously ill on board.

OldFrill Thu 07-May-26 16:50:39

FriedGreenTomatoes2

This, from Professor Carl Henegan, sage and voice of reason:

“ Take the current hantavirus scare. A cruise ship, the MV Hondius, sits off Cape Verde. There are 7 cases in total (2 confirmed, 5 suspected) and 3 deaths, including a Dutch couple and a German national. Passengers have been confined to their cabins while evacuations and disinfection efforts are organised. It is, undeniably, a dramatic story: a floating Petri dish, a whiff of quarantine and a hint of the exotic.

In the past week alone, there have been at least 10 to 15 unique news stories, generating hundreds of articles. For a disease that, in normal times, struggles to attract even a single weekly mention, this represents a surge bordering on the hysterical.

And yet it is worth stepping back for a moment and asking, what are we actually looking at?

Hantavirus is a rare disease. In the United States, which diligently tracks such cases, there have been 890 laboratory-confirmed instances since 1993. In the UK, the situation is even less clear: from 2012 to early 2025, only 11 domestically acquired symptomatic cases have been recorded. Surprisingly, nine of these cases were not linked to cruise ships or exotic travel, but rather to a more mundane source—exposure to “pet fancy rats” or rodents bred as reptile feed.

This is not a pathogen ready to spread through the Home Counties. However, the rarity is not the issue; visibility is.

Diseases that afflict the poor, quietly and persistently, rarely command attention. Tuberculosis killed 1.23 million people globally in 2024. Over a million deaths every year, largely concentrated in less affluent parts of the world. It is one of the most lethal infectious diseases known to medicine, and yet it barely registers in the Western news cycle.

Why? Because TB is familiar, it is slow; It lacks narrative flair, and it does not trap well-heeled passengers in their cabins while helicopters circle overhead.

If you want coverage, you need something else entirely. You need novelty, uncertainty, and above all, proximity to affluence. A cruise ship outbreak ticks every box: a disease with a balcony suite.

This is the uncomfortable truth behind Rosling’s ratio: the media does not report risk, it reports drama. And drama requires context that audiences can imagine themselves in.

A rodent-borne virus in some remote rural setting barely registers. Put that very same virus aboard a cruise ship with buffet queues, balcony cabins and a passenger list that looks uncomfortably like the readership, and suddenly it becomes headline news.

The result is a profound distortion of public perception. We are invited to worry about the improbable while ignoring the inevitable and reality. A handful of hantavirus cases generates dozens of headlines; a million tuberculosis deaths pass with barely a murmur.

If we were to apply Rosling’s lens to the present moment, the imbalance would be obvious. Three deaths linked to a suspected hantavirus cluster have produced hundreds of reports in a matter of days. Meanwhile, tuberculosis continues its relentless toll with scarcely a fraction of that attention. The modern “news-to-death ratio” may not be precisely 8,176-to-1, but the underlying pattern remains intact.

The lesson here isn’t truly about hantavirus; instead, it’s about how we collectively determine what is significant.

Diseases associated with poverty—those that are endemic, predictable, and devastating—often fail to attract media attention because they don’t instil fear in the right audience or in the right way. No one is interested in the thousands of cholera deaths that are too remote, too ordinary, and lack the dramatic impact that draws interest. What commands attention are diseases that puncture our sense of safety, the kind that can slip past the gangway and make themselves at home on a cruise ship.

This post was written by two old geezers who live in a world where risk is misread, priorities are skewed, and the arithmetic of attention bears little resemblance to the arithmetic of death.”

Is this Carl Heneghan who said COVID wasn't airborne.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 07-May-26 16:51:59

GrannyGravy13

Am I the only one with no confidence in the WHO in this instance?

Nope
Me too GG13

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 07-May-26 16:53:42

✔️ LemonJam

Tizliz Thu 07-May-26 17:20:34

The passengers who left the ship at St Helena presumably had finished their bit of the cruise and had always planned to leave there. They were assured by the captain that the passenger who had died had died of natural causes, no mention of a virus.

MT62 Thu 07-May-26 18:14:26

Tizliz

The passengers who left the ship at St Helena presumably had finished their bit of the cruise and had always planned to leave there. They were assured by the captain that the passenger who had died had died of natural causes, no mention of a virus.

The captain would say that 😩

MT62 Thu 07-May-26 18:17:10

They can’t leave those poor passengers on board. Really though, they should disembark & quarantine all in the one place surely?

Fallingstar Thu 07-May-26 18:27:20

I fear there will be more people infected, on the commercial flights on which those who disembarked early flew home. Their close family and friends before they knew hanta virus had struck - indeed it seems that those flying home to various points on the compass will be trusted to isolate at home rather than being quarantined, and am afraid therein lies the difficulty.
I personally am quite worried about this.

MT62 Thu 07-May-26 18:36:45

When I said to the nurse at the surgery, oh have you heard of anyone with Covid? She blah, blahed me, saying it was nothing more than a cold. Next few days I had to drop off a sample, I couldn’t get in the door, but could see through the glass doors that they were all dressed up like they were attending ‘theatre’ for open heart surgery.
Masks on & Gloves all taped up around their sleeves.
So yes I am frightened a bit.
I don’t think I could hack another lock down.

MT62 Fri 08-May-26 11:39:58

MT62

When I said to the nurse at the surgery, oh have you heard of anyone with Covid? She blah, blahed me, saying it was nothing more than a cold. Next few days I had to drop off a sample, I couldn’t get in the door, but could see through the glass doors that they were all dressed up like they were attending ‘theatre’ for open heart surgery.
Masks on & Gloves all taped up around their sleeves.
So yes I am frightened a bit.
I don’t think I could hack another lock down.

This is my point, Covid was poo, pooed in the beginning as nothing more than a cold. It then went on to kill many thousands, as it was airborne.
This virus I don’t think they fully understand how it’s transmitted.

LemonJam Fri 08-May-26 11:46:34

Fallingstar

I fear there will be more people infected, on the commercial flights on which those who disembarked early flew home. Their close family and friends before they knew hanta virus had struck - indeed it seems that those flying home to various points on the compass will be trusted to isolate at home rather than being quarantined, and am afraid therein lies the difficulty.
I personally am quite worried about this.

The UK government is coordinating containment for the UK passengers and crew still on the ship, so far currently asymptomatic I understand. The Government is chartering a flight to collect these remaining UK passengers and crew and will fly them back to the UK. That is they will not be on disparate commercial flights.

It is highly likely they will be kept separate to the main airport through fares on landing and then they will all go home to self isolate for the incubation period.

LemonJam Fri 08-May-26 11:53:03

Just re read your post- think you maybe referring to those 2 passengers who left the vessel early in its journey and have already flown home? They were asymptomatic- and so far have not been evidenced to carrying the virus in order to transmit, I would imagine contract tracing arrangements have been put in place to check other passengers and flight staff.

I would imagine those 2 passengers would responsibly self isolate and motivated not to expose their loved ones, friends and family members to even the smallest chance of virus transmission?

Silvergirl Fri 08-May-26 12:04:11

I hope they apply all they have learned from the Covid procedures. I am not confident. Seems to me that there is an awful lot of people flying about the world who are connected to this vessel.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 08-May-26 12:05:00

LemonJam 30 passengers disembarked at St.Helena on the 24th April.

At this time there was no information from the Captain to indicate that there was a virus on board.

All passengers would have used commercial flights for their onward journeys.

The two English citizens only began self isolating when the media broke the virus story and they then contacted their local Health Authority.

LemonJam Fri 08-May-26 12:16:34

GG13- you're pint being?

LemonJam Fri 08-May-26 12:17:06

Point- not pint...

petra Fri 08-May-26 12:34:43

LemonJam

GG13- you're pint being?

I read the post to mean exactly how millions of people around the world feel, including me.
The WHO danced to the Chinese tune until they couldn’t hide the coronavirus any longer.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 08-May-26 12:53:12

LemonJam

GG13- you're pint being?

My point is that the incubation period for this strain of Hantavirus is up to and including eight weeks.

The ship with the virus onboard left Argentina on 1st April.

The 30 passengers who disembarked on 24th April, could be incubating the virus. They could already have passed it on to others whilst travelling, shopping, working etc in the 7 plus days until it was confirmed that Hantavirus was the cause of other passenger deaths and illness.

Unless the track and trace system is fail proof nobody can predict who will succumb next.

TheatreLover Fri 08-May-26 12:53:59

petra

LemonJam

GG13- you're pint being?

I read the post to mean exactly how millions of people around the world feel, including me.
The WHO danced to the Chinese tune until they couldn’t hide the coronavirus any longer.

The more the various experts pop up to there is say nothing to worry about, the more worried I am becoming. This is all too reminiscent of how we were told not to worry about Covid, whilst at the same time it was spreading throughout the world.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 08-May-26 12:54:05

petra

LemonJam

GG13- you're pint being?

I read the post to mean exactly how millions of people around the world feel, including me.
The WHO danced to the Chinese tune until they couldn’t hide the coronavirus any longer.

Abso-bloomin-lutely 👏👏👏

LemonJam Fri 08-May-26 13:01:19

Thanks for your clarification GG13.

I have nothing to add to my 11.46 and 11.53 posts.

Allira Fri 08-May-26 13:17:11

petra

LemonJam

GG13- you're pint being?

I read the post to mean exactly how millions of people around the world feel, including me.
The WHO danced to the Chinese tune until they couldn’t hide the coronavirus any longer.

Coronavirus was known about for months in Wuhan before the virus spread.
People were locked down there in late autumn 2019 and did not know why; they were frightened and were given no information. However, some travellers were allowed to leave and the virus spread.

BlueBelle Fri 08-May-26 13:25:25

They should have all stayed on board I the boat for the eight weeks incubation Why not ? Better than passing it around in planes and boats etc

Allira Fri 08-May-26 13:47:36

BlueBelle

They should have all stayed on board I the boat for the eight weeks incubation Why not ? Better than passing it around in planes and boats etc

Passengers were told that the first person who died on board had died of natural causes, so there was no reason at the time for other passengers to leave the ship.
Passengers were from locations around the world and flew home.

BlueBelle Fri 08-May-26 13:55:09

I know that Allira but everyone was still on board when they found out what it was and they should have been kept in isolation not flying on commercial flights snd putting others in danger

MT62 Fri 08-May-26 14:27:40

They are sending doctors out to the ship to test passengers.
They will be taken off the ship & flown home. Didn’t say what kind of flight it would be.
Spanish residents on Tenerife are being interviewed & obviously nervous.