Anti-semitism in the Media

Galaxy

I want the police to ensure the explosion doesn't happen often at great risk to themselves. Explosions don't just take out the person, they take out train carriages, buses, etc as we all know to our great cost.

You've seen the video. How would the police have stopped an explosion? All the man would have needed to do is push a button, pull a chord or whatever. They couldn't have stopped it - and certainly not by kicking him in the head. If he had been a suicide bomber, he would have rehearsed how to detonate any device, which would have taken just a second.

He was in the middle of a road. There was nobody in the nearest vicinity. It was not indoors, so there was nothing to contain it. An explosion would have killed the man, made a big hole in the road and probably broken glass in nearby buildings, but it would have done very little other damage.

It will be interesting to find out what the official investigation says.

Galaxy

I don't but you know that.

Ignore, it's goading.

Allira

^He was tasered while crossing a road and ended up lying on his front.^

Oh, I understand now
Did he say "I was just going about my business, crossing the road, minding the traffic, carrying a knife for self-defence, Officer".

They can't have heard him.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

I have not denied he resisted arrest - that is precisely why he was tasered. Got that? Once he was on the ground, he was lying on top of the knife. He was tasered. His muscles wouldn't work. He couldn't hand the knife over.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

Well, that is ironic!

Er there was a civilian ( again incredibly brave) assisting the police, another person used his vehicle to block the escape . There were absolutely people there.

Interestingly, the Met's official released footage on the BBC doesn't show the kickings, which don't appear to have been carried out by their officers.

There needs to be an investigation and all the footage needs putting together.

I don't know what you mean. The met police described the police as met police, they released body cam footage from their officers. This was reported on the BBC , etc.

The police have a difficult enough job as it is without members of the public sitting on their keyboards in the safety of their own homes criticising their every move and criticising whatever they do to try to prevent increasing violence and stop violent, dangerous criminals on our streets.

And we wonder why recruitment and retention of police officers is difficult. They run to danger to serve and protect, while the rest of us are running away
Those two young officers were brave. Criticism of them from the safety of a keyboard is imo nauseating

It seems to always be condemn the police and not the perpetrator. I agree Iam64 it is nauseating. my DH was a young constable he was confronted by a man wielding a knife on his beat. In those days all he had was a whistle and a truncheon.
Luckily he was able to talk him down and summon help but I was very glad I didn't know about it at the time. He said he was scared but couldn't let the man go.
I hope the critics don't ever find themselves in a situation like the ones the police have to deal with so often.

Agree Iam

Iam64 and AGAA4, I'm not criticising the police, but the evidence of the video needs explaining because it does actually look damning. I've been at pains to say that I know short snippets don't tell the whole picture. I've also questioned whether the officers doing the kicking were Shomrim or Met. The main one looks very much like a Shomrim volunteer from a photo on the BBC. The timeline and accounts given by Sir Mark Rowley and various media sources don't match with the published video sources. Unless the questions are answered, they will continue to be used against the police. I have a lot of respect for the police.

The critics are often the ones who think they know it all, or are always right.
There are people who like to analyse every video with police involvement - of protesters, football fans, attackers, etc - and then make their own sketchy conclusions, which after investigations turn out to be incorrect on most occasions! No one knows what happened unless they were there, or unless they are privy to confidential knowledge discussed at Cobra meetings! Which they are not!
It's quite absurd that they think they know everything.

I still don't know what you mean. Are you saying the met police put out a statement defending their officers, released the body cam, and yet it wasn't their officers. Why would they do that.

There’s a level of suspicion and mistrust. Yes we know there have been rogue officers but the majority join to serve and protect. They need our suppport and respectb

Iam64

There’s a level of suspicion and mistrust. Yes we know there have been rogue officers but the majority join to serve and protect. They need our suppport and respectb

Well said 👏👏👏

It’s shame that the media seldom highlight all the good things they do…

Iam64

There’s a level of suspicion and mistrust. Yes we know there have been rogue officers but the majority join to serve and protect. They need our suppport and respectb

That is precisely what I do! And that's why questions here need answering. The man was kicked in the head at least five times while tasered and lying on his front. It's not clear whether it was a Met officer or a Shomrim volunteer. At the moment, it looks suspiciously as though there's some kind of cover up. If it's all legit (which it probably is), some answers and honesty are needed.

MartavTaurus

The critics are often the ones who think they know it all, or are always right.
There are people who like to analyse every video with police involvement - of protesters, football fans, attackers, etc - and then make their own sketchy conclusions, which after investigations turn out to be incorrect on most occasions! No one knows what happened unless they were there, or unless they are privy to confidential knowledge discussed at Cobra meetings! Which they are not!
It's quite absurd that they think they know everything.

You don't have to have been there to see videos and want some explanation.

Galaxy

I still don't know what you mean. Are you saying the met police put out a statement defending their officers, released the body cam, and yet it wasn't their officers. Why would they do that.

I don't know. I'm absolutely certain that not all the officers were Met. One of them was wearing a kippah and another appears in a BBC photo and is named as a Shomrim volunteer. The videos are quite clear. The Jewish media is claiming that it was Shomrim who first detained him (contrary to the Met report).

The body cam was either edited or clipped and doesn't show the whole picture. There are other videos, including (ironically) one that Tommy Robinson has published.

This seems to be turning into attacks on our police force by many, so don't call the police if under threat, deal with it yourself.

You mean the man I described as assisting the police when you were denying there were any civilians present. He's the one i think is wearing a Kippah. On the BBC video you can see him sort of behind the police officers as they kick the suspect.

It also has shades of anti semitism. Jewish police officers may wear a kippah. Why wouldn’t volunteers rush to support police. Twaddle, I don’t see you making similar criticisms of the other member of the public who bravely ran to help police.

It is very hard to see from the BBC video but I think it is the man I am describing who is wearing a kippah. But I can't swear on it. He was very brave as well whoever he may be.

I'm 100% with the police on this. They had to disable this man whatever way possible to protect the public. They have to run into danger so often and don't need our uninformed judgement.