Starmer’s Speech today.

The schemes here were far more generous than some other countries. As soon as we were allowed to travel again we went to Corfu for a much needed holiday. When we chatted to local businesses they could not believe how much help we got. Loads of businesses had closed down and others were just hanging on. They got about 6 weeks support and that was it. It was then down to relatives to support them. We were so lucky here.

The Tory government didn't give furlough out of the goodness of their hearts they had to do it. They couldn't let families starve where the wage earners couldn't go out to work.
Many people did work during the pandemic so furlough wasn't paid to all.

sixandahalf

Very rude to correct a spelling error. How deepy unpleasant a couple of you are, really. Still if it makes you feel good.

The person I refer to supposedly ran a beauty business. It never got off the ground but somehow she managed to claim a lot of money. Unscrupulous indeed.

Deeply unpleasant could apply to quite a few on here, just not the ones you are meaning!

It is fine to attack other peoples points of view as long as you keep it within the guidelines. It is not fine to say that people are deeply unpleasant, that is an insult.

MartavTaurus Actually, very important to correct the spelling of such a major concept being discussed here.

Except that it is you who is incorrect.

Furlow v Furlough

The Oxford English Dictionary shows that while furlough is more common nowadays, both forms are correct.

The poet Samuel Taylor Coleridge: One of those short furlows.

Fanny Burney: You could not refuse to her request the Week's furlow.

Perhaps you could apologise to sixandahalf.

With regard to spelling, do people ignore the wiggly red lines that indicate mistakes?

This is going a bit awry over spelling but I think it's better not to pick people up on their spelling, grammar and punctuation. Most of us make mistakes sometimes. We're only human.

AGAA4

This is going a bit awry over spelling but I think it's better not to pick people up on their spelling, grammar and punctuation. Most of us make mistakes sometimes. We're only human.

Furthermore, Spellcheck often changes things so no red wiggly lines to alert you. I am normally commenting whilst in a hurry so I don't have time to proofread properly and anyway, 9 times out of 10, my eye/brain sees what I thinks I wrote.
Let's be kinder about misspelling and grammar mistakes.

No, apart from Pedant’s corner, do let’s keep picking on spelling mistakes. It takes attention away from the more serious matters in hand.😄

Perhaps you could apologise to sixandahalf.

Are you GNHQ? 😲

Mollygo 😁

eazybee Not all devices show red squiggly lines. All mistakes are typos or because this device has a mind of its own and autocorrect changes my correct spelling and grammar to an incorrect word at random.

Good thing I checked - it had changed squiggly to snuggly.

The poet Samuel Taylor Coleridge: One of those short furlows.

Samuel Taylor Coleridge born 1772 died 1834

twaddle

Allira

twaddle

Primrose53

Casdon

Primrose53

Casdon

I’ve noticed that Farage sports a Barbour jacket that has never seen mud or rain in its life. Funny that.

Barbour jackets are designed to withstand mud and rain. My brother is outside in all weathers beating for pheasant shoots, metal detecting, walking, gardening etc and his decades old Barbour jacket is still as good as new.

😝 that’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all morning.

No need to be sarcastic. It’s the truth. Barbour jackets are expensive because they last and wear well. Maybe Primark is more your style. 😝

I would have thought any "man of the people" would be proud to wear Primark!

I would have thought any "man of the people" would be proud to wear Primark!

Why?

Classic Barbour jackets are made in England.

Primark jackets are made in China.

But plenty of men and women of the people do wear Primark - and the stores employ people living in the country and paying British taxes.

Just pointing out that perhaps a man of the people might want to support British industry over Chinese imports.

sixandahalf

Have you seen those " take one, leave one" iniatives for coats and school uniforms.

The fact that they are needed is a disgrace. I expect some of them are fairly cheap.

🤔

Have you seen the price of school uniforms? Some state schools, even in more deprived areas, insist on the right uniform, correctly worn, certain items only available from a particular supplier. Add to that sports wear and equipment, the correct shoes etc.
No wonder schools/PTAs operate secondhand stalls and it is nothing new; it has been happening for years.

sixandahalf

Very rude to correct a spelling error. How deepy unpleasant a couple of you are, really. Still if it makes you feel good.

The person I refer to supposedly ran a beauty business. It never got off the ground but somehow she managed to claim a lot of money. Unscrupulous indeed.

I'm not surprised a beauty business did not get off the ground during Covid. It is a business that requires close contact with clients and obviously that would have been impossible at that time. It's not the type of business where anyone could work remotely from home.

Perhaps that person had given up a job, sunk all their savings into setting up the business and otherwise might have lost everything without furlough, even their home.
Furlough would not have paid a fortune but perhaps enough to stop her ending up living on the streets?

Who knows? If we do not know, we should not be judgemental.

Casdon

I sincerely hope that people don’t think for a minute that furlough schemes during Covid explain or mitigate 14 years of government that decimated the country. Governments all over Europe did the same during Covid, including socialist and coalitions, it wasn’t exactly a massive UK innovation.

Absolutely. No doubt any party in power would have implemented furlough. There was no choice.

Allira

sixandahalf

Very rude to correct a spelling error. How deepy unpleasant a couple of you are, really. Still if it makes you feel good.

The person I refer to supposedly ran a beauty business. It never got off the ground but somehow she managed to claim a lot of money. Unscrupulous indeed.

I'm not surprised a beauty business did not get off the ground during Covid. It is a business that requires close contact with clients and obviously that would have been impossible at that time. It's not the type of business where anyone could work remotely from home.

Perhaps that person had given up a job, sunk all their savings into setting up the business and otherwise might have lost everything without furlough, even their home.
Furlough would not have paid a fortune but perhaps enough to stop her ending up living on the streets?

Who knows? If we do not know, we should not be judgemental.

A business starting during covid, or without evidence of prior activity, wouldn't have been eligible for state support. Even if it had been active for a while it may not have qualified.

A former poster on Gnet who was self employed, and had been for some years, was caught by the eligibility rules for support and got nothing.

So it's all very mysterious.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Allira, you’re right about the school
uniform second hand idea being in existence for a long time. Our school had it going back in 2002.
It ran alongside the sale of unclaimed lost property which started even earlier.
Amazing how many parents complained about the cost of the uniform but CBB to come into school and see if it was in lost property.

Lovetopaint037

It’s Rachel from Accounts who has been responsible for so much of the unemployment we are experiencing now which then increases welfare payments. She has made it difficult or near impossible for employers to afford the employment of staff. Have not been able to understand why Starmer still supports her.

I said the same thing. Her policies are responsible for Starmer's downfall. Yet she seems to have slipped under the radar.

Mollygo

Allira, you’re right about the school
uniform second hand idea being in existence for a long time. Our school had it going back in 2002.
It ran alongside the sale of unclaimed lost property which started even earlier.
Amazing how many parents complained about the cost of the uniform but CBB to come into school and see if it was in lost property.

I used to help my friend, who was a teacher and I was on the PTA, with the second-hand uniform stall at her primary school in the days when the school fairs were called jumble sales.

She knew which families were desperate and used to keep back some of the better clothes she knew would fit the children, then give them to the Mums. She'd say they were 'left over and mustn't go to waste' so they didn't feel as if it was charity.
She would put in a donation to school funds.

That was in the 1980s.

I remember second hand uniforms way before then too.
Waste not, want not.

Mollygo

Allira, you’re right about the school
uniform second hand idea being in existence for a long time. Our school had it going back in 2002.
It ran alongside the sale of unclaimed lost property which started even earlier.
Amazing how many parents complained about the cost of the uniform but CBB to come into school and see if it was in lost property.

My state school had them back in 1972; the uniform prices were extortionate especially the wool school blazer. The private school had it too in the 2010's when my son was there.

MayBee70

Jeremy Hunt was Chancellor. What experience did he have of finance?

That is the problem. Most ministers are unqualified.

sazz1

I have every sympathy with genuine refugees like those from Ukraine etc. Why would a genuine refugee throw their passports and ID papers into the sea? This is the main reason the country has voted for Reform to rid us of all these people arriving on boats.
Starmer has made 17 U turns since being in office. It's obvious now that he hasn't got a clue about how to run this country. He has no integrity as any other person making 17 mistakes in their time in employment would resign or be sacked.
IMO he's the worst PM this country has ever had.

You are forgetting Liz Truss, although her tenure was short. She did lots of damage in those 4 weeks.

Allira

So it's all very mysterious.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Let me briefly clear up any mystery. The person concerned had a business set up for her by a family member. Perhaps it opened very briefly and then Covid hit. She claimed funds and also did so for her employees. Sadly the system was abused.

I like the comment from a labour MP on the news, who talked about a vote for Farage will get Starmer out.
Seems there’s a lot of people MPs or not who want to make a gift of that to NF.