Starmer’s Speech today.

Have you seen those " take one, leave one" iniatives for coats and school uniforms.

The fact that they are needed is a disgrace. I expect some of them are fairly cheap.

Repeat love0c post but substitute Conservative for Labour
That’s so usual it could almost go without saying.

Conservatives did not leave us with a huge debt!! The debt left was very small in comparison to any labour leaves and the Conservatives debt was mainly due to covid payouts which Labourites will have grabbed with their greedy little hands!

love0c

Conservatives did not leave us with a huge debt!! The debt left was very small in comparison to any labour leaves and the Conservatives debt was mainly due to covid payouts which Labourites will have grabbed with their greedy little hands!

What is a covid payout and who are these Labourites who grab it?

I do know of a very very wealthy family who fiddled and cheated their way to furlow payments.

love0c

Conservatives did not leave us with a huge debt!! The debt left was very small in comparison to any labour leaves and the Conservatives debt was mainly due to covid payouts which Labourites will have grabbed with their greedy little hands!

They left us with a wrecked country, with a huge legacy of issues that any future government is, and will be, saddled with for a generation. But HeyHo, let’s forget about that, it doesn’t matter at all that we have no defences, a crumbling infrastructure and a population that thinks there is a golden bullet to solve it all.

sixandahalf Covid payout??!! The Conservatives paid the salaries of working people that had to stay home due to Covid! They kept the hospitality sector going! They reorganised the exams for pupils1 They supported everybody! They did not pick and choose! Labour hates anybody who wishes to work and thrive! Dear me, I am amazed that anybody with an ounce of fairness can still support Labour. We can only be glad Labour were not in control when Covid kicked in!!!

love0c

sixandahalf Covid payout??!! The Conservatives paid the salaries of working people that had to stay home due to Covid! They kept the hospitality sector going! They reorganised the exams for pupils1 They supported everybody! They did not pick and choose! Labour hates anybody who wishes to work and thrive! Dear me, I am amazed that anybody with an ounce of fairness can still support Labour. We can only be glad Labour were not in control when Covid kicked in!!!

^ Dear me, I am amazed that anybody with an ounce of fairness can still support Labour.^

I am astounded that anyone would believe the fairy tales you post.

I do know of a very very wealthy family who fiddled and cheated their way to furlow payments.
I do love these unsubstantiated claims.

Actually, my Boss’s, Aunt’s, Friend’s, next-door neighbour, knows someone who got rich through furlow and thought she’d stand for Reform.

love0c

sixandahalf Covid payout??!! The Conservatives paid the salaries of working people that had to stay home due to Covid! They kept the hospitality sector going! They reorganised the exams for pupils1 They supported everybody! They did not pick and choose! Labour hates anybody who wishes to work and thrive! Dear me, I am amazed that anybody with an ounce of fairness can still support Labour. We can only be glad Labour were not in control when Covid kicked in!!!

spot on love0c! The furlough payments literally saved thousands of people from destitution. Five or 6 months people got paid for staying at home. It was brought in quickly and worked smoothly.

Likewise the payments to small businesses of which we were one along with people near us like hairdressers, mechanics, builders etc. £10,000 each payment. We only claimed one but some people claimed all 3. I remember speaking to other small businesses at that time and they were all very appreciative of the help they received.

The pandemic was an absolute one off so nobody knew which way things were going to go but the Conservatives did the very best they could.

sixandahalf

love0c

Conservatives did not leave us with a huge debt!! The debt left was very small in comparison to any labour leaves and the Conservatives debt was mainly due to covid payouts which Labourites will have grabbed with their greedy little hands!

What is a covid payout and who are these Labourites who grab it?

I do know of a very very wealthy family who fiddled and cheated their way to furlow payments.

I don't think there's any such word as furlow.

Maybe furlough?

MartavTaurus
Don’t worry. I got it right! 😉

We were a recipient of furlough help during Covid.

Furlough and the loans saved thousands upon thousands of jobs, businesses and helped to ease the worry of the next bill dropping through the letter box for many families.

Yes there were some unscrupulous people who took advantage, but don’t let that cloud the good that furlough payments and loans did.

Very rude to correct a spelling error. How deepy unpleasant a couple of you are, really. Still if it makes you feel good.

The person I refer to supposedly ran a beauty business. It never got off the ground but somehow she managed to claim a lot of money. Unscrupulous indeed.

Mollygo

^I do know of a very very wealthy family who fiddled and cheated their way to furlow payments.^
I do love these unsubstantiated claims.

Actually, my Boss’s, Aunt’s, Friend’s, next-door neighbour, knows someone who got rich through furlow and thought she’d stand for Reform.

It's not unsubtantiated but obviously I can't give out details here.

Spot on Grannygravy13. I can’t even begin to imagine how we would have managed if Labour had been in government during covid. Look at how they have destroyed businesses in the short time they’ve been in power

sixandahalf

Very rude to correct a spelling error. How deepy unpleasant a couple of you are, really. Still if it makes you feel good.

The person I refer to supposedly ran a beauty business. It never got off the ground but somehow she managed to claim a lot of money. Unscrupulous indeed.

Actually, very important to correct the spelling of such a major concept being discussed here.

I'd have picked it out even if MaizieD had misspelled it, but she wouldn't have!
And Mollygo no doubt inadvertently used the wrong spelling because she quoted the mistake.

sixandahalf

Very rude to correct a spelling error. How deepy unpleasant a couple of you are, really. Still if it makes you feel good.

The person I refer to supposedly ran a beauty business. It never got off the ground but somehow she managed to claim a lot of money. Unscrupulous indeed.

Beauty businesses, Hairdressers, Barbers were hit really hard during the lockdowns.

If they were running a business that was struggling to get off of the ground I can see why it didn’t take off during the pandemic.

I assume you have access to their accounts…

I have had my spellings and grammar corrected on GN, no big deal 🤷‍♀️

I often post whilst doing/listening/watching something else, haven’t proof read before hitting post message

Both my DD1 and SiL run their own separate businesses. With three young children they were very grateful for furlough.
Even more grateful for the stamp duty relief which meant they could still move to a new area during covid.
Things are not so rosey these days under Labour, but they're managing.

I sincerely hope that people don’t think for a minute that furlough schemes during Covid explain or mitigate 14 years of government that decimated the country. Governments all over Europe did the same during Covid, including socialist and coalitions, it wasn’t exactly a massive UK innovation.

Casdon

I sincerely hope that people don’t think for a minute that furlough schemes during Covid explain or mitigate 14 years of government that decimated the country. Governments all over Europe did the same during Covid, including socialist and coalitions, it wasn’t exactly a massive UK innovation.

No Casdon of course not.

Just pointing out that furlough helped and saved many businesses and families, as a counter balance to a poster upthread referring to unscrupulous business claims…

sixandahalf

It's not unsubtantiated but obviously I can't give out details here.

Me neither.😥

I have every sympathy with genuine refugees like those from Ukraine etc. Why would a genuine refugee throw their passports and ID papers into the sea? This is the main reason the country has voted for Reform to rid us of all these people arriving on boats.
Starmer has made 17 U turns since being in office. It's obvious now that he hasn't got a clue about how to run this country. He has no integrity as any other person making 17 mistakes in their time in employment would resign or be sacked.
IMO he's the worst PM this country has ever had.

sundowngirl

Spot on Grannygravy13. I can’t even begin to imagine how we would have managed if Labour had been in government during covid. Look at how they have destroyed businesses in the short time they’ve been in power

QE wasn't an innovation. You actually have Labour to thank for first using it during the global financial crisis to rescue failing banks. Without it an awful lot of you would have found your bank accounts completely empty.

It is a prime example of the ability of a state with a sovereign currency to create money when needed. I didn't notice moans about hyperinflation at the time... people were just grateful for the help (and some were grateful for the opportunity to scam money from a lax government)

There was fraud in claiming payment during covid because claimants were taken on trust, under the misapprehension that in a time of crisis no-one would cheat, and money was made available too readily and without evidence of need.