Starmer’s Speech today.

Maremia

The media engineering his downfall...absolutely.

What an offensive remark. All of us are living with the bad management of this government, some much more than others.

To suggest that we are all manipulated by the media. if we are, why are you one of the exceptions?

One of the ost unedifying things to have come out of the whole Starmer shambles has been the way He and all his government and its supporters all refuse to take any resposibility for anything. they blame the media, the voter, Reform, the Greens, Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all. Why do none of them have the guts to standup and say 'We got it wrong and this is what we will do to put it right.

As an aside, Keir Starmer, is a barrister and a QC, someone who one would expect to have command of persuasive verbal skills, yet whenever he makes a speech, his prose is as leaden as a coffin and he has the persuasive skills of a rotten potato.

MayBee70

MartavTaurus

We need someone less arrogant too.

In his speech Starmer implied voters were angry that changes weren't happening fast enough for them. Err no, people don't actually like those changes he's made/making!
So they look elsewhere!

So who would you like to be running the country?

It doesn't really apply because I'd vote Conservative, but out of the motley bunch mentioned, possibly Wes Streeting. Not only because he was my London Borough Councillor Deputy, then Leader, and was ok, but because he listens to people.

I can remember when people were calling for PM Johnson to resign, he had to resign, and rightly so.

But, due to it being hastened by his cabinet and back benchers we ended up with Liz Truss.

I hope that lessons have been learnt (sorry to use that dreadful phrase) the next PM could be worse.

As an aside, Keir Starmer, is a barrister and a QC, someone who one would expect to have command of persuasive verbal skills, yet whenever he makes a speech, his prose is as leaden as a coffin and he has the persuasive skills of a rotten potato.^

🥔 😂

That's so funny! Today is our food caddy collection day, and this morning I found a rotten sweet potato at the bottom of my vegetable drawer. Out with the trash!

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This is for M0nica.

MartavTaurus

As an aside, Keir Starmer, is a barrister and a QC, someone who one would expect to have command of persuasive verbal skills, yet whenever he makes a speech, his prose is as leaden as a coffin and he has the persuasive skills of a rotten potato.^

🥔 😂

That's so funny! Today is our food caddy collection day, and this morning I found a rotten sweet potato at the bottom of my vegetable drawer. Out with the trash!

Well, the person with persuasive verbal skills is Nigel Farage. Would that make him a good PM? Starmers persuasive skills seem to help him work well with other world leaders; they don’t seem to have a problem with him.

Well at least Farage supports farmers 🥔🥕🧅🥦 and was particularly visible and vocal during rallies against inheritance tax charges.

MartavTaurus

Well at least Farage supports farmers 🥔🥕🧅🥦 and was particularly visible and vocal during rallies against inheritance tax charges.

Really? Almost comical.

Farage, the lazy, billionaire supports himself.

MayBee70 you made an important point. Starmer does work well with other world leaders which at this dangerous time with the Trump regime is crucial. I can't see anyone else who could do this. Wes Streeting? Angela Raynor? I don't think so. Not sure about Andy Burnham.

He always looks as though he has just woken up and has no idea where he is or how he got there.
However, he is now showing his true colours....he's a dictator. He knows perfectly well why so many people voted for Reform but he's determined to go again with his own agenda anyway.
I'm curious to know how he is at home. Does he force his will on his wife and family?

We had 14 years of Austerity, a huge world pandemic, a failed massive GDP losing Brexit. You can't cure all that in 2 years. I hope they don't yield to media pressure and change the PM again. It is not the answer but I fear I will be disappointed.

I did not vote for Labour and don't view Sir Keir Starmer as a great PM however, I prefer him to stay because he seems to be the best of a poor bunch.
He mentioned tackling child poverty in his speech. Does this mean that Rachel Reeves's removal of the two-cap child benefit which she said at the time would lift 350,000 children out of poverty immediately, isn't working? Starmer is desperate to remain as PM so in order to do that he must look at the reasons why other parties did so well and why Labour did so badly. Labour's clarion call was CHANGE but there is little evidence of that and certainly not for the better.

mum2three

He always looks as though he has just woken up and has no idea where he is or how he got there.
However, he is now showing his true colours....he's a dictator. He knows perfectly well why so many people voted for Reform but he's determined to go again with his own agenda anyway.
I'm curious to know how he is at home. Does he force his will on his wife and family?

I'm pretty sure that is libellous but no problem.

If he goes it will be a victory for some of the right who are gleeful about more instability in an already unstable world.

mum2three

He always looks as though he has just woken up and has no idea where he is or how he got there.
However, he is now showing his true colours....he's a dictator. He knows perfectly well why so many people voted for Reform but he's determined to go again with his own agenda anyway.
I'm curious to know how he is at home. Does he force his will on his wife and family?

What a vile thing to say about Keir. He’s a devoted family man and is very defensive of his family. Have you ever seen him chatting to children in schools etc? He’s a natural with them.

In England these were local elections which often attract protest votes during mid term.

Seems to me that people that have never liked Starmer are relishing all of this. No thought for the harm it’s doing our country both nationally and internationally; not to mention the economy.

Mollygo

Who would people like to see instead if Starmer?
I keep reading suggestions of Rayner or Reeves but don’t feel they’d be an improvement. If KS does go, let’s hope the replacement has cleaned up their act before being appointed. Starting as PM with a list of accusations about your actions has never been a good idea.

I have no issue with Rayner BUT Reeves would be an absolute disaster.

Now we’ve reached this stage of proceedings Starmer would do best if he negotiated a timetable to gracefully step down and if whomever takes over has any sense they’ll appoint him as Foreign Secretary. The one thing he’s done very well is stand up to Trump.

I think Streeting is the likely candidate, but as we all know from our previous government, many unlikely people may stand and I do hope the LP get it right and choose someone who sees us through to 2029.

MayBee70

Seems to me that people that have never liked Starmer are relishing all of this. No thought for the harm it’s doing our country both nationally and internationally; not to mention the economy.

Very damaging internationally.

MayBee70

Seems to me that people that have never liked Starmer are relishing all of this. No thought for the harm it’s doing our country both nationally and internationally; not to mention the economy.

Agreed. I don't vote Labour but I hate this completely unnecessary instability.

Silvergirl

In England these were local elections which often attract protest votes during mid term.

And weren’t many of them meant to be postponed because of boundary changes? The media are making it look as if Reform did incredibly well whereas that only happened in two areas.

MayBee70

Seems to me that people that have never liked Starmer are relishing all of this. No thought for the harm it’s doing our country both nationally and internationally; not to mention the economy.

I completely agree, and it also illustrates how little loyalty there is in politics.

Starmer has been done like a kipper and I truly hope he steps down quietly.

It is a sad day who those of us who voted Labour, I expected more from his government and a scrap of loyalty.

Have you ever seen him chatting to children in schools etc? He’s a natural with them.
As was Boris, as was Rishi, as was Theresa May, as was the lot of them. It's great for the cameras. Sitting on those little plastic chairs, telling funny jokes, crouching down next to the kids.
Maybe they're all naturals at getting down to that level!

mum2three

He always looks as though he has just woken up and has no idea where he is or how he got there.
However, he is now showing his true colours....he's a dictator. He knows perfectly well why so many people voted for Reform but he's determined to go again with his own agenda anyway.
I'm curious to know how he is at home. Does he force his will on his wife and family?

Is this libel? As a member of the public and a voter, it reflects the impression I and many others have.

Starmer has been done like a kipper and I truly hope he steps down quietly.

Poor bloke, first a potato now a kipper!

Just to add, I'm not sure I like the reference to his wife and family either.