Revolving door politics

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TerriBull

I didn't vote for Labour, but I really hope Starmer doesn't go, better the devil you know are my thoughts. I think he's been disappointing apart from when he stood up to Trump. Rachel Reeves has been a positively awful Chancellor imo, she's reeked havoc on business and the effects of which are catastrophic.

I agree absolutely. I hate to think of who will replace Starmer as there's just no-one I recognise as PM material. I'm terrified to think of that idiot Lammy or the drunken Rayner being considered. How has it come to this?

Rewind a couple of years and I remember the euphoria on this site when Labour were elected. There was such delight that the Tories had been thrown out. I remember posting a comment warning that under Labour things were about to get much worse. I was raining on their parade! But I stand by my words, which I think have come true as I just knew they would. Labour has always messed things up and they always will. Just look at them. There is no hope with people like that.

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mum2three

I think our whole system is flawed. So often people are forced to choose between a candidate and the party. How many good counsellors lost their seats at the last election because of the party they represented?
I think a committee (if that's the right word) would be better, with debates to decide policies.

Absolutely, if only the brightest and best from all the main parties, excluding the nutcase Polanski, could come together for the sake of the country, form a cabinet and come up with how best to go forward for the sake of everyone living in the uk. Not likely to happen though sadly.

All of which does not detract from the appalling state of the Labour Party, where the most prominent view appears to be that Keir Starmer should remain because the alternatives are so much worse.
Look to your own party and its disastrous government.

It’s a dirty game. Between Starmer being hounded out, Polanski not paying his poll tax, and Farage and the mystery bungs, today is an embarrassment for British politics.

Fair enough. Do it properly.

Anyway, now that Ben Habib has spilled the beans on a further £1 million bung from Harborne to Farage to collude with Johnson to rig the 2019 election, Farage’s time must be coming close to an end.

His propensity to alienate former colleagues is coming back to bite him. Let’s see the revolving door at Milbank Tower spinning as police escort him to a custody suite.

The PM has told his cabinet, that he is continuing governing

He also told them if they want him to go, to do it through the process laid down in the Labour Party rule book, basically he has told them to put up or shut up

As reported on ITV news bulletin.

MT62

Boris got the same treatment from the left westendgirl.
He was ridiculed by the press, even when he was at deaths doors with Covid.
Even his private life wasn’t sacred.
Every little argument him & his wife had was reported about.

But not so much in the press.

He was a truly dreadful PM, imo, and please don’t quote Covid as he supplied the cash for vaccines and the scientists, and our NHS, along with thousands of unpaid volunteers handled the roll out. Most of the rest of his covid based decisions were appalling including the wasting of £m on PPE and Track & Trace, to mention just two, then prior to that was the illegal proroguing of parliament and the whole Dominic Cummings saga, the enormous personal donations he received to redecorate number 10, and prior to him being PM the police being called to a domestic disturbance in his then gf’s flat.

His personal life was explored, but this was because some people felt his moral compass was slightly screwed when representing the party of “family” whilst dumping his second wife, for a younger model.

He was already not the best person to be in public service, he’d lost at least one job in journalism due to lying about stories and people liked him because he had a “nice, friendly and vaguely amusing persona”. He’s clearly benefitted greatly financially from being PM and doesn’t shy away from the media as his wife regularly posts on social media showing their beautiful mansion and rather cute children.

And ..

A Red Wall Labour MP has insisted Sir Keir Starmer must resign after his “downright insulting” reset speech.

Jonathan Hinder, the Labour MP for Pendle and Clitheroe, told BBC Newsnight: “It’s time to be real. He’s going, no doubt about it.”

When asked whether that was what he wanted, Mr Hinder responded: “Yes. And the speech ... I thought it was if I’m being generous, tone deaf, at its worst I would say it was downright insulting.”

The knives are out ….

Well “Voters do not want Sir Keir Starmer as Prime Minister and do not trust him” a Labour backbencher has said.

Paulette Hamilton, the MP for Birmingham Edington, called for Sir Keir to resign yesterday.

She told Sky News: “Over the last few months at the doors, it has been awful. People do not want him there. They don’t trust him. They do not think he’s the right person to take this forward...”

Boris got the same treatment from the left westendgirl.
He was ridiculed by the press, even when he was at deaths doors with Covid.
Even his private life wasn’t sacred.
Every little argument him & his wife had was reported about.

It is very convenient to blame the media for briefing against a party, with the rather insulting insinuation that voters cannot observe and make their own decisions. Creditable new is available round the clock now; some of the comments posted on here from dubious sources are risible but clearly believed by some.That is freedom of speech.
the LP is described in entirely derogatory terms: ask renters? Ask the families benefitting from breakfast clubs, the GP's who got a big grant last year Ask the workers and taxpayers who are supplying the money which pays for these 'extras', breakfast clubs, free school meals, childcare, but not allowed to benefit from them. This is where dissension is coming from. Doctors' waiting lists are not reducing because doctors are able to work fewer hours for the same money.

fancythat

I am probably out of sync with a lot of people on this one, but I dont see the problem if Leaders come and go.
More democracy that way.

But this happening whilst in government totally destabilises things, I think more loyalty within parties in power should be more important.

TerriBull

I didn't vote for Labour, but I really hope Starmer doesn't go, better the devil you know are my thoughts. I think he's been disappointing apart from when he stood up to Trump. Rachel Reeves has been a positively awful Chancellor imo, she's reeked havoc on business and the effects of which are catastrophic.

Starmer’s loyalty to her hasn’t helped him one iota.

Fallingstar

Today it seems Starmer could resign as PM, but what does this say about our national politics in the past decade, when PMs on both sides of the political divide have come and gone with tedious regularity?
Have we grown out of one party politics?
Is it it time to embrace coalition politics?
Is social media/populous views responsible for revolving doors politics??
I wanted Starmer to go but am now considering this more deeply and think it could be more harmful than good. Surely our PMs cannot be subject to a lynching mob whenever the going gets tough. If a party wins an election shouldn’t that mean they see out a full term?

I’d love to see a coalition govt, some think in worked well in NZ until the economic situation didn’t go so well.

On a personal level, I’d only support a coalition if Lab/Lib/Green were involved, I do support The Green Party, but I’m coming around to the fact that they do require a new leader.

I remember the excuses about Boris, it was all his enemies blah blah that brought him down and the media.
No it wasn’t, it was his own actions and decisions.

MT62

I think that,‘ better the devil you know’.
It depends on what damage him & RR do between now & the next election.
Then hopefully Labour will be gone.

That’s it, damage limitation is needed right now.

Oreo

It’s just excuses….

Wrong chap! Farage is the master of excuses.

It’s just excuses….

Oreo

If he had been any good then media noise wouldn’t matter.

Of course it would! You underestimate the power of the media.

westendgirl

Oreo, the media attack stuff is not nonsense. It started from the moment Starmer became P.M.. There has been constant negative reporting , all reflected on this site .

I agree. I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like it. It started immediately and it was viscious.

If he had been any good then media noise wouldn’t matter.

westendgirl

Oreo, the media attack stuff is not nonsense. It started from the moment Starmer became P.M.. There has been constant negative reporting , all reflected on this site .

So you think that right wing noises off is making his MP’s and some of the Cabinet to demand his resignation?Really??

Oreo

It isn’t about instant success Wyllow3 it’s about constant poor decisions and policies and u turns from a weak leader and a hopeless Chancellor as well.
All this right wing media attacks stuff is nonsense it’s coming from Labour MP’s, those in the Cabinet and Labour voters.
If something is not working properly you don’t call for more years of it, you cut your losses.

It isn't nonsense. There has always been dissent within the Labour Party because it's essentially a coalition of different approaches, but he smearing is coming from the right wing media. The attacks now from within the political party are because some of them are watching their own backs.

Oreo, the media attack stuff is not nonsense. It started from the moment Starmer became P.M.. There has been constant negative reporting , all reflected on this site .