Boats this month…

Your first paragraph is nonsense Graphite this forum is for everyone to have a comment, and if they don’t all agree with you that doesn’t make the thread a facsimile of the DM or the posters automatically being Tory/ Reform/Restore voters, this old chestnut is getting boring.
Posters do read the thread, even your contributions and see the data.
The small boats keep on coming and if we have a good Summer they will come in big numbers.It’s true we will have to wait until the end of the year to tot up the annual figure but nobody will be surprised if it’s the same as the previous year.

Oreo

Your first paragraph is nonsense Graphite this forum is for everyone to have a comment, and if they don’t all agree with you that doesn’t make the thread a facsimile of the DM or the posters automatically being Tory/ Reform/Restore voters, this old chestnut is getting boring.
Posters do read the thread, even your contributions and see the data.
The small boats keep on coming and if we have a good Summer they will come in big numbers.It’s true we will have to wait until the end of the year to tot up the annual figure but nobody will be surprised if it’s the same as the previous year.

And Graphite posted that minimum cost of supporting an asylum seeker is £10,000. That is nonsense too. Minimum cost is £17,000 a year and can go up to £41,000 per person pa.

220 arrivals today.
Who knows how many will arrive tomorrow in this wonderful weather!

Think of all the money those people smuggling gangs are making and no sign of them being “smashed” that I can see. Think also of the large amounts these “poor people” are forking out to come here.

I know all the old tosh too about families chipping in to pay for one family member to get here and I am just not buying it.
They are mostly young men and no way could I have coughed up thousands of £ to get here at their age. None of my relatives could have afforded to help me out either.

I don’t know where you are getting your statistics on costs from. Mine come from the The Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford so they are not nonsense.

However many verifiable facts from government and other reliable sources are given to show that inroads are being made, the same people (who I suspect really can’t bear to admit that Labour are tackling the backlog and mess that the Tories left), will come back with the same tropes. Too many people, not enough room, not enough resources, too much money spent, when in fact the population will decline unless we have migration; only a tiny percentage of the UK is built on; a million empty homes; a critical shortage of workers in key sectors.

Instead of Reform whipping up division by describing migrants as “men of fighting age” why not describe them as “men of working age”, men who could be trained or may already have the skills to work in construction. The Skilled Worker Visa list shows the UK has shortages in most of the construction skills and many other sectors.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-temporary-shortage-list/skilled-worker-visa-temporary-shortage-list

As a country we cannot keep moaning about a situation and hope it will go away. The global movement of people isn’t going to go away. War, famine and drought isn’t going to go away. The UK must take some of those people looking for a better life.

In terms of population growth, the UK birth rate is declining and the death rate is predicted to rise as more “boomers” die. Up until now the two have been around the same - 600,000 births and deaths a year. The increase in population has been as a result of migration. But if migration falls and fewer children are born how does the country achieve economic growth? We are repeated told that young people don’t want to work, that around 11 million people of working age are not working. Who will work if we don’t have migrants?

If we can’t engage in meaningful discussion about practical ways to integrate migrants into UK society, however they reach these shores, then there is little point in the discussion.

I too wonder this. Even if migration levels were on a downward trend, the population is increasing and increasing. How much longer can it go on. The face of Britain is changing and what’s good about it?

Primrose53

Think tanks on both the political right and left have reviewed the figures and reached the same conclusion the administrative delays in the asylum system created a massive and compounding financial burden on the UK taxpayer.

So this is an older problem. Not created by this government. Many years of neglect - leaving us to pick up the tab now whilst we fight to process people more quickly.

When people are housed in the community rather than hostels/ hotels apparently it's just £14 a night.

One sign that the French attempts to reduce the number of crossings actually is working, is the increase in the number of small boats coming from Belgium instead.
www.france24.com/en/live-news/20260522-belgium-worries-as-migrant-crossings-to-britain-rise
It is a worrying trend because it is considerably further to the UK from Belgium, so until this route is closed down, more migrants are likely to lose their lives.

72 arrivals this morning so far and it’s only 8am!

Rosie51

Maybe Scotland isn't as welcoming as Basgetti claims? Perhaps ask Basgetti how she knows Scotland is more welcoming than England, and perhaps at the same time she can list where NI and Wales come in her table?

No need to be snotty. Anecdotally, having lived most of my life in England but laterally in central Scotland. The Scottish government has been more welcoming, the country needs young people. Friends and neighbours are, too. Our small city is incredibly diverse. The only time anti-immigrant protestors were trained and bussed in and were behaving in a very intimidatory manner outside of one of our two migrant hotels, they were outnumbered by locals telling them to s*d off back to where they came from (mostly towns in England if local press reports were accurate).
I have no idea about Wales and Northern Ireland because I haven’t lived there.

Rosie51

Casdon my point was that if England is so less welcoming to immigrants than Scotland as claimed by Basgetti why wouldn't the message spread and immigrants go to Scotland?
Of course it's natural to want familiarity around you, I'd never suggest otherwise. I just get fed up with England being poorly compared with Scotland. I am allowed to question on what basis Basgetti made her assertion.
My borough has the largest Nepalese community outside of Aldershot. They evidently find England very welcoming.

That’s interesting, Rosie. Where are you? We have a relatively large Nepalese community here in Perth (our population isn’t huge). I would imagine the draw has been employment and again relatively affordable housing. I’m often passed by large groups of mostly young men as they cycle home from work at Inveralmond industrial estate. The only cyclists who invariably ring their bells and don’t make me jump out of my skin 😁

We are having success in breaking the gangs thanks to the NCA operatives who sometimes put their lives in danger.

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/big-rise-in-arrests-as-nca-targets-people-smuggling-networks

Primrose53

72 arrivals this morning so far and it’s only 8am!

Shouldn’t worry. Quick google tells me that according to ONS, on average, 1,079 foreign nationals leave the UK long-term every day. Hopefully not via routes that risk their lives.
That ought to cheer you up.

Graphite
We may need legal migration but we don’t need or want illegal immigrants coming across on small boats there’s a world of difference .
We can choose who comes into the country through legal immigration.

Oreo

Graphite
We may need legal migration but we don’t need or want illegal immigrants coming across on small boats there’s a world of difference .
We can choose who comes into the country through legal immigration.

Did you see the reports on the bbc yesterday of the dreadful restriction on young women and the erosion of their most basic rights under the Taliban regime.
How are they to apply to enter the UK legally, please? Bright, talented young people with hopes of education and professional careers.

Sweden, often seen as a liberal country have completely changed their approach to migration.
Despite this change they have voted in a right wing coalition government.

www.government.se/government-policy/the-governments-priorities/migration-and-integration/

Basgetti

Primrose53

72 arrivals this morning so far and it’s only 8am!

Shouldn’t worry. Quick google tells me that according to ONS, on average, 1,079 foreign nationals leave the UK long-term every day. Hopefully not via routes that risk their lives.
That ought to cheer you up.

That comment is missing the point.
Foreign nationals can be from any country including EU ones and presumably includes those who leave of their own volition and those whose visas have run out, students as well as some deportations.

petra

Sweden, often seen as a liberal country have completely changed their approach to migration.
Despite this change they have voted in a right wing coalition government.

www.government.se/government-policy/the-governments-priorities/migration-and-integration/

Because they have had enough of the criminal behaviour of some of the immigrants they have allowed in there, according to a tv programme I watched a few months ago.

dotpocka

in this hell hole if you have agreen card you have to back to the country you came from and get a hat country becasuse of rapes murdered just because of the religion sex prefer food
stupid things there are thousands are dying in the everglands thiscounrty is going down fast black voting rights on and on andon

What are you talking about?

Basgetti

Oreo

Graphite
We may need legal migration but we don’t need or want illegal immigrants coming across on small boats there’s a world of difference .
We can choose who comes into the country through legal immigration.

Did you see the reports on the bbc yesterday of the dreadful restriction on young women and the erosion of their most basic rights under the Taliban regime.
How are they to apply to enter the UK legally, please? Bright, talented young people with hopes of education and professional careers.

We can’t take in all the young women living in Afghanistan it’s as simple as that.
The taliban are swine we all know that but we have already taken in thousands of Afghanis in the UK.
Personally I would rather have taken just all women in and the only men those who really did work for us but so many claimed huge extended families needed to come that the army admitted that about three times as many came here as were honestly employed by them as translaters and so on.

Not all, of course not. But certainly several thousand whom I’m pretty sure would be assets to the UK. They have no legal route.

Which thousands tho? There’s always going to be those who will be disappointed.
And what about all the young women in very many other countries, particularly the African Muslim countries where things are appalling for them?
The UK is a densely populated small island which already takes in millions.

Small parts of the UK are densely populated, for sure.

We take our share of those African women, too.

!.000 illegal migrants arrived this weekend.

eazybee

!.000 illegal migrants arrived this weekend.

Do you mean 1,000 eazybee?

Madness isn’t it? They are arriving at 2 and 3 in the morning now! Wait until we see what the total is today.

I'm shocked that people seem to think we are obliged to keep taking in more and more people from all over the world. When will it end?

Again, we have 70 million people here already and do not need any more. We have plenty of young people in the NEET group. Living on benefits should not be a choice, the choice should be education, employment or training, and if they are physically fit and don't know what else to do then a year of military service. Those young people need to be doing something. Encourage them to earn a living by doing the jobs that need doing. But don't give them the choice of doing nothing.