Reforms response to Rachel Reeves’ heckler.

Personally, I detest Farage and all that he stands for but, I do believe in equality of what is acceptable/unacceptable behaviour for one party, is the same for all. Disagree with their manifesto/policies as much as youwant, but keep within the law and remain respectful. So it's quite interesting to look back at old threads on GN and see how the tone changes, depending on who's being heckled or having things thrown at them.

… but keep within the law and remain respectful …

Which is what the man shouting at Rachel Reeves at the petrol station did not do.

There is a big difference between the wit of spontaneous heckling, for example Max Wilkinson’s recent heckle of Robert Jenrick in the HoC, and effing at a woman in the street and having Reform MPs, including Jenrick, applaud it.

Swearing at people in public is an offence.

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And the Reform responses are all just banter, you can tell they are having a laugh about it. It's all part of the job these days I imagine, but just so happens that a camera was pointing at RR at the time. It he had shouted obscenities or showed aggression that would be different, although a lot of people have lost jobs or had businesses closed because of her, so you can understand if they were angry.

Reform do seem to have a sense of humour, which I find in short supply among Labour.

This government, imo, want a Soviet-style control.

I want tolerance and humour while still governing well.

The comments towards RR were not tolerant and humorous however- their lies the problem.

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^… but keep within the law and remain respectful …^

Which is what the man shouting at Rachel Reeves at the petrol station did not do.

There is a big difference between the wit of spontaneous heckling, for example Max Wilkinson’s recent heckle of Robert Jenrick in the HoC, and effing at a woman in the street and having Reform MPs, including Jenrick, applaud it.

Swearing at people in public is an offence.

You should watch it again. There was no effing, just a robust comment about KS and the Labour party. And as I said, this was not directed at 'a woman in the street' but at the Chancellor of the Exchequer, irrelevant whether male or female. It's you that's making this about her being a woman. The Chancellor was in a public area with other people around, she was not just 'a woman in the street.'

I have just watched it again a couple of times and I cannot hear any swearing, just heckling of the Chancellor. Politicians, both male and female must be well used to heckling.

Just a storm in a teacup because the TV cameras were there.

“Meandrogrog

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And the Reform responses are all just banter, you can tell they are having a laugh about it. It's all part of the job these days I imagine, but just so happens that a camera was pointing at RR at the time. It he had shouted obscenities or showed aggression that would be different, although a lot of people have lost jobs or had businesses closed because of her, so you can understand if they were angry.
Reform do seem to have a sense of humour, which I find in short supply among Labour.

This government, imo, want a Soviet-style control.

I want tolerance and humour while still governing well.“

Mmmm, I too like tolerance and humour, in what context are Reform “tolerant?” And Reform only tolerate humour, provided it’s not directed at them!

Some of the man's shouting was not entirely clear at the beginning but most of what could be heard in the longer version of the videos available did not include swearing. Towards the end he got in his van and drove past RR saying "Ive got flags on here Rachel" etc and something about being arrested.

None one could say the man was attempting be humorous or good mannered in any he just wanted to shout his views' get Starmer out and Farage in' and clearly wanted to disrupt RR talking to the camera. He also wanted to shout a warning to RR he had "flags on here Rachel" ( not sure what his warning about the flags was about or the arrest shouting but hey Reform and flags have a very close meaningful relationship that evidently is something to shout about).

RR stopped at the beginning - when the man first shouted, then waited as he kept shouting then when he shouted about his flags and something about getting "arrested", RR responded as he drove by "I love our country" and then about "good manners", smiling for the camera throughout. As a woman being shouted at loudly by a man in a public place whilst filming- not campaigning- I thought she handled it all pretty well.

Not a major drama but really not sure why Farage et al want to buy the man a pint? Plus what is their reasoning and justification for condoning the man's shouting behaviour toward RR. If any one can explain why the man was shooting about fling his flags and getting arrested might be helpful as Reform has offered no explanation. It did come across a trying to make about flags. The flags and arrest shouting did come across as some kind of threat hence why RR said "that's politics today" and she has "good manners" which in response she did. All is all, in the moment, I thought RR dealt with it well.

It was to not an arrestable offence but as Farage is always raging on about his security a bit short sighted and 2 faced to come out and condone/congratulate the man.

Cossy, I dislike NF and don't support Reform, but any tolerance displayed by reform is reflected in the tolerance on here. It only works if the party members like what is being said.

Interestingly, the best examples of intolerance are all found in the political threads aimed at the last government and the political posts aimed at this government and the other parties, particularly Reform.

Cossy

“Meandrogrog

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And the Reform responses are all just banter, you can tell they are having a laugh about it. It's all part of the job these days I imagine, but just so happens that a camera was pointing at RR at the time. It he had shouted obscenities or showed aggression that would be different, although a lot of people have lost jobs or had businesses closed because of her, so you can understand if they were angry.
Reform do seem to have a sense of humour, which I find in short supply among Labour.

This government, imo, want a Soviet-style control.

I want tolerance and humour while still governing well.“

Mmmm, I too like tolerance and humour, in what context are Reform “tolerant?” And Reform only tolerate humour, provided it’s not directed at them!

Just listening to NF you can tell he has a good SOH and also people who have met him have said the same. He is an eloquent speaker too.

but keep within the law and remain respectful …Which is what the man shouting at Rachel Reeves at the petrol station did not do.

How did you feel about Farage having milkshake thrown over him in 2024? I've just looked back at GN threads from that time and, the common consensus seems to have been that, whilst violent acts in general were not to be encouraged, Farage deserved it and perhaps, if it happened often enough, he'd go away. Funny how our political allegiances skew our perceptions isn't it?

I wasn't a member posting in 2024 so dont know what is said.

Farage was campaigning for the Reform party when that milk shake incident happened, she was prosecuted, Farage didn't condone her behaviour and he has used that as an example for the reasons he does not have sufficient security and needed £5 million for his security. You only need personal security if you are at risk of harm.

On that basis Farage is a bit hypocritical saying he would buy a pint of beer to congratulate the man and seems to think the incident was funny and RR was not actually campaigning.

Meandrogrog

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“Meandrogrog

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And the Reform responses are all just banter, you can tell they are having a laugh about it. It's all part of the job these days I imagine, but just so happens that a camera was pointing at RR at the time. It he had shouted obscenities or showed aggression that would be different, although a lot of people have lost jobs or had businesses closed because of her, so you can understand if they were angry.
Reform do seem to have a sense of humour, which I find in short supply among Labour.

This government, imo, want a Soviet-style control.

I want tolerance and humour while still governing well.“

Mmmm, I too like tolerance and humour, in what context are Reform “tolerant?” And Reform only tolerate humour, provided it’s not directed at them!

Just listening to NF you can tell he has a good SOH and also people who have met him have said the same. He is an eloquent speaker too.

Are you serious? I've never noticed a good sense of humour.

Yes, it was hilarious the way he used to 'banter' with his Jewish classmates, or was it?

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What was the foul mouthed thing this guy was shouting?

He shouted out of his van window, not word for word Labour are a rubbish party …

It sounded more than that to me.

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I wasn't a member posting in 2024 so dont know what is said.

Farage was campaigning for the Reform party when that milk shake incident happened, she was prosecuted, Farage didn't condone her behaviour and he has used that as an example for the reasons he does not have sufficient security and needed £5 million for his security. You only need personal security if you are at risk of harm.

On that basis Farage is a bit hypocritical saying he would buy a pint of beer to congratulate the man and seems to think the incident was funny and RR was not actually campaigning.

He was offered security after the milk shake incident but refused it so we don’t know whether it was sufficient or not.

Sorry Jane43 I don't know the specific detail of what security support Farage refused after the milk shake incident.

I only know that he stated on record recently that he took the £5 million sum from Harborne for the benefit of his personal security because the sate was sufficiently providing enough security. That is also a reason Farage has given for not carrying out MP surgeries in his constituency.

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“Meandrogrog

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And the Reform responses are all just banter, you can tell they are having a laugh about it. It's all part of the job these days I imagine, but just so happens that a camera was pointing at RR at the time. It he had shouted obscenities or showed aggression that would be different, although a lot of people have lost jobs or had businesses closed because of her, so you can understand if they were angry.
Reform do seem to have a sense of humour, which I find in short supply among Labour.

This government, imo, want a Soviet-style control.

I want tolerance and humour while still governing well.“

Mmmm, I too like tolerance and humour, in what context are Reform “tolerant?” And Reform only tolerate humour, provided it’s not directed at them!

Just listening to NF you can tell he has a good SOH and also people who have met him have said the same. He is an eloquent speaker too.

Are you serious? I've never noticed a good sense of humour.

That doesnt surprise me!

Can people take care in how they repost others' comments because it's being done here in a way that looks like I'm saying things I never said. I'm almost inclined to report the posts by Meandrogrog and Cossy but they've been reposted again and again and would damage the whole thread. I did not say the things which seem to be quoted to me.

Please take care, use the quote button, reply to that one only, and don't mix up various posts in your reply.

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Can people take care in how they repost others' comments because it's being done here in a way that looks like I'm saying things I never said. I'm almost inclined to report the posts by Meandrogrog and Cossy but they've been reposted again and again and would damage the whole thread. I did not say the things which seem to be quoted to me.

Please take care, use the quote button, reply to that one only, and don't mix up various posts in your reply.

I have not meant to cause any upset and am sorry if .i have 🫢

I find any politician, regardless of their politics being heckled at, thrown objects at, think NF ‘dollops of wet concrete, milkshake thrown. Then some ‘has been’ comedian commenting that it should have been battery acid.
KS glitter thrown on him.
I watch behind slightly opened fingers 🤦‍♀️

Look, some Reform and Restore voters are decent people who believe that only Reform can deliver the changes because they believe our counties problems and their personal difficulties are caused by migration, and so on.

But some supporters are total thugs. No other word for it.
Look at the demo last weekend, when a number of Reform women dressed as Muslim women set up a situation where their clothes were torn off them and they were mocked. There is no purpose in that then to make a section of the population - Muslim women - feel vulnerable and frightened.

In County Durham, after the elections where Reform gained control of the council, streets of sonny areas of the county were covered with England flags outside bedroom windows and many too high to easily remove. Whatever the people living in those houses felt about it.
A couple of men tried to take some down. They were beaten up. My grandchildren had to go to school past these. My granddaughter was fed, at primary school, by appalling lies about Muslims, in this all white area, at age 8.

These people aren't acting alone, they are fed lies by the likes of Farage, by Tommy Robinson. Oh yes, Farage disowns TR, but it suits him just fine. While he gets richer and richer.

This goes against all our British values of decency. No other party fosters this kind of behaviour, none. The drive by on RR is just the supposedly acceptable end of the sort of actions by these sort of men. Violent words lead to violent actions, as we have seen. It's no good just discussing whether they did or didn't swear.

its part of a pattern the thin end of the wedge.

And the idea of Farage needing protection because he had a milkshake thrown at him is frankly pathetic if you ask me in the light of all this.

All he is after really is self gain.

Just look at what his candidate in Makerfield for the election in under a months timeactually said about women in the deleted SM account.

In several creepy posts about women, Kenyon suggested he would love to smell & lick” Carol Vorderman’s arsehole
said .... he loves how female rugby players handle their knockers ... and wrote: If it’s not tits and arse or rugby its politics

The Reform candidate also explained that he had been blocked from the Sky Sports Rugby League Twitter page because he “said something about womens [sic] rugby*

This is your Reform the truth about its ugly underbelly..

And presumably the ugly underbelly of the labour party is wanting to push women in front of a train ( Streetings old tweets). Let's hope the labour party do appropriate vetting on him ....oh.

25Avalon

Has no one a sense of humour anymore?

When MPs have been killed by random nutters, don’t really see anything funny about it.

Meandrogrog

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Can people take care in how they repost others' comments because it's being done here in a way that looks like I'm saying things I never said. I'm almost inclined to report the posts by Meandrogrog and Cossy but they've been reposted again and again and would damage the whole thread. I did not say the things which seem to be quoted to me.

Please take care, use the quote button, reply to that one only, and don't mix up various posts in your reply.

I have not meant to cause any upset and am sorry if .i have 🫢

That's okay, I realise it wasn't intentional. 💐 I just felt uncomfortable with phrases being added onto my post because they are not things I would say. The problem arises when you don't use the quote button. It is possible to quote a single sentence from someone's post but you need to do this in italics and make it very clear it's not what you or someone else has said. Not really a good idea to mix up different people's comments in your own comment.