A terrible crime unpunished!! Imho 🙄

I do get irritated the way ADHD gets used as an exonerating reason for criminal behaviour. ADHD threads through our family across the generations.

I have friends who have ADHD and one of the tradesmen we are currently employing has ADHD, as does his son. In no case has this undermined our sense of right and wrong or led us into consenting to criminal acts.

I agree and very dangerous, I do wonder what people think will happen if they keep using neurodiversity as a reason for criminal activity.

As if having a low IQ and ADHD is relevant. The judge is a misogynist and should be removed. Seething 😤

I’ve read this morning this Judge has a history of leniency in sentencing serious offences.

I found his use of adhd and low IQ as somehow excusing these horrific offences inappropriate and offences. His focus on the needs of the perpetrators and disregard for the victims shameful

Being from a travellers community or of low intelligence or having ADHD is no excuse for committing rape. If they know how to rape and how to then film this they need to be punished for this.
Perhaps the judge would care to meet with the victims and their families to explain his leniency.

That judge needs investigating if he does this sort of thing on a regular basis. Not appropriate at all and little concern for the poor victims.

The perpetrators of these rapes are not children; they are capable of rape therefore past puberty. I heard them referred to as juveniles, which is a more appropriate term.
Of course they have ADHD and low intellectual ability; do people not realise that an ADHD diagnosis comes with an attendance allowance, hence an added reason to acquire one.

And as for returning these rapists to the care of their family; who has been responsible for their upbringing? There is a move to hold parents responsible for the behaviour of their offspring; it certainly should be applied in this case.

A stiff punishment won't undo the damage done to the victims , and is probably too late to reform the perpetrators, but it will act as a deterrent to those who enjoyed watching and possibly thought of joining in the fun.

I know there are guidelines about sentencing minors which advise compassion but there is also the need to protect girls and women from further attacks from these boys in the future.

Dealing with them leniently for these very serious crimes against young girls is going to make them more likely to re-offend, especially as they have limited intelligence.

I think it uite ridiculous that ADHD ualifies for any benefit at all, although it does not ualify for Attendance Allowance unless the person claiming it is over 65. at all. As i wrote above ADHD runs through my family and friends and others I know have it as well.

My grandson has ADHD and disautonomia, which causes him far more trouble than his ADHD. No way would I consider his problems ualify him for aany benefits. Yes, life can be inconvenient, some minor adjustments have been made by his school, but there is no justification for benefits

I share people's disdain for " low IQ" being a defence for committing a violent crime. Some of us have experience, either professionally, or socially, with those who have limited cognitive ability.
I have worked in special education and would challenge anyone suggesting that these students are more likely to assault others than mainstream pupils.
The corollary of this, of course, is that in sentencing, those of higher than average IQ , should be subject to a stiffer penalty..

MOnica, I have four neurodiverse grandchildren. I totally agree with yiu

Spent my life working with children with a range of needs, and I agree as well. That's putting aside the fact that many professionals are currently raising concerns about trauma being misdiagnosed as autism/adhd, etc.

Galaxy

I agree and very dangerous, I do wonder what people think will happen if they keep using neurodiversity as a reason for criminal activity.

We won’t be very far from ‘Let’s keep all these low IQ/ADHD people locked up, just in case’ territory if such conditions are used as an excuse for criminality.

My son has ADHD, he’s never hurt a fly and never would. So far undiagnosed but two of my GC likely to fall under the same umbrella. They’re both delightful children and violence would never cross their minds. In fact I suspect they’re more likely to be victim to it than anything else.

Regarding the case in the OP, I read yesterday that the two girls were assaulted on different occasions, some months apart. I’d assumed it was at the same time. Surely that and the filming/SM aspect shows planning aforethought and hardly a momentary lapse of control.

Chemical castration is the only punishment.

nanna8

That judge needs investigating if he does this sort of thing on a regular basis. Not appropriate at all and little concern for the poor victims.

I agree, and suspended from duty whilst this is going on. If he has no sympathy for the victims and only feels this for the perpetrators I would seriously doubt his actual motives.

Galaxy, same with some diagnosed. With adhd when the root of the problem is trauma and attachment disorder. I say this as gran to two boys diagnosed with adhd despite secure, loving homes. Ido accept fine wiring and geneticsplay a role. So does helping children manage their feelings and behaviour

I don't think people with ADHD, low IQ etc will be locked up; it will simply be used to excuse every misdemeanour, whether minor or major. These terms are applied far too readily, with insufficient evidence.
This sentencing is a perfect example, from someone with an imperfect understanding. The Defence Barristers will have exploited it to the nth degree.

Let me be clear someone with ADHD is as likely to commit crimes including rape, as anyone else, but having ADHD does not make you any more likely to act in this way than any other person and is neither an explanation nor a mitigating factor in cases such as this.

Why are we surprised men get away from the consequences of their actions?

If he said she said cannot be used
If what was she wearing cannot be used
If she was drinking cannot be used
Even if the crime is proven and recorded, men and women will protect the rapists at all costs, with the most stupid reasons

And I doubt this is the first time they have raped anybody, it is the first time they are caught

Life in prison for any rape conviction. End of.