Robert Kenyon, Reform's candidate for Makerfield. Would you let him in your house?

In your view, Galaxy ... Strangely enough, Andrew Tate (supported by Trump and Elon Musk) always claimed that he wanted to instil responsibility and decency into boys.

I do not agree with your views. I don't even agree with your understanding of misogyny, so I'm going to leave it there.

In any case, this thread is about Robert Kenyon and his obnoxious values.

Yes of course in my view. I am not posting other people's views. Everyone here is posting their view.

Lots of talk and frameworks, special orders, government plans and very little about action actually taking place.

Surely we need to have the issue on the national curriculum with a syllabus that starts in nursery and goes through infant and junior school into secondary school. Just dealing with this issue when children reach secondary school is already too late attitudes have already been formed

MOnica, where did you get the idea that initiatives only start in secondary school?

There's another topical post- "should the judge be struck off etc...." These 2 posts may be linked?

The rapists apparently were considered below average intelligence. It could be that they have seen similar online posts to Kenyon's - read in the newspapers or heard on the news he's not bothered by them and he's not apologised. They may hear their parents discussing such posts- well he's a "straight talking man' 'one of us', cant stand CV, she's full of herself, so it's all ok
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The teenage boys continue to share similar posts, then over time- its become the normal things to do. They then egg each other on to act on their impulses. Slowly and incrementally it escalates to grooming a teenage girl on line, then to rape, at knife point, filmed for future pleasure.

Full circle and we all complain about the judge, the lack of custodial sentence, the appalling experience of the victims. But it starts somewhere and it's up to us, to call out what we find unacceptable, to reduce, as much as possible, rape against teenage girls by teenage boys groomed on line.

It is about attitudes, I agree with M0nica.

Being repeatedly exposed to seeing such examples of online abuse against women, condoned by some public figures, can breed familiarity and contribute towards forming vile, misogynistic attitudes.

I certainly wouldn't let Burnham in my house. Don't be fooled by him and the so called wonderful job he has done as the Mayor of Greater Manchester.

He is no different or better than any other self seeking politician that is out for themselves.

Great posts, LemonJam. I agree.

My comments upthread were in no way intended to excuse Kenyon, should that be in any doubt. I was talking about the whataboutery of digging up Streeting’s comments as a way to imply that those criticising Kenyon are hypocrites or ingenues.

What I find disturbing is polarisation of political views is such that many people find it impossible to call out appalling behaviour in case it gives the "opposition" an advantage. I don't think there's anyone on this thread that doesn't roundly condemn the comments made by Kenyon. If he wasn't standing for election I have no doubt that pretty much everyone on this thread would have said his behaviour was disgusting but instead we've had a fair bit of "whataboutery" instead of a robust condemnation. What on earth is happening to us if we can't recognise when something is completely inappropriate behaviour for a potential MP. Trump said he could shoot someone in a public place and still get elected. I think there are times when we need to put our differences to one side and take a good look at ourselves and our own values.

Foxie48 you have nailed it on the head! How any woman cannot condemn this man is beyond me !

"But it starts somewhere and it's up to us, to call out what we find unacceptable, to reduce, as much as possible, rape against teenage girls by teenage boys groomed on line."

Lemonjam I totally agree with this. Why do we think the government should be responsible for how our men behave when women don't or won't call out vile behaviour by men seeking public office. We all need to take responsibility for how men behave and that means being clear about what we find unacceptable in our own homes, what we find unacceptable in public places and what we find unacceptable in those who would represent us in parliament.

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Tbf Magenta8 the Labour Party said the same about all the vile antisemitism tweeted by Naz Shah the Bradford MP, as in it was before she applied to become an MP.

Ssshh, you’re not allowed to mention this as it doesn’t fit the narrative.

In 2016 Naz Shah was immediately suspended from the labour party for comments that she made in 2014 during the Israel/Gaza conflict. She has since apologised and agreed that the comments were anti semitic but said that she had not realised that they were anti semitic as they were against Israel and not Jews per se (I have paraphrased this). She said at the time "feelings were running high" but she said "that was not an excuse". She has since been reinstated.

Wouldn’t let any politician in my home! And in any case they never visit people in flats🥴

I wouldn't let a single reform candidate in my house! In all honesty even if I was in desperate need of help I'd still wait for someone more human.

I'd not let a Reform candidate in my home. The grim and ghastly people who swarm around Farage really cause me massive concern. They seem to thrive on causing division and really are the scrapings of the political barrel. The number of them who have only lasted days post election shows how little scrutiny was conducted by their leader - but then look at Farage himself. Not a moral or ethical bone in his body.

Independent reporting that Burnham is slightly ahead of Reform in the poll, but I assume that is without taking Restore into account, who is being supported by Musk with I guess his enormous funds.

Farage is not happy, so he clearly sees Restore as a big threat, which will split the far right vote.

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Independent reporting that Burnham is slightly ahead of Reform in the poll, but I assume that is without taking Restore into account, who is being supported by Musk with I guess his enormous funds.

Farage is not happy, so he clearly sees Restore as a big threat, which will split the far right vote.

I looked at RESTORE'S manifesto, it has the distinct 'notes' of the Republican party in the USA. It does not bode well for women, especially those of re-productive age.

Indeed, Dickens: Mr Kenyon, the subject of this thread, is opposed to abortion, which is a view he is, of course, perfectly entitled to hold.
However, I do take issue with his statement that women have abortions for " vanity reasons" . I am not clear as to exactly what he is suggesting, but it is a terrible thing to say.

Kenyon is just a horrible person and I hope for the people of Makerfield that Burnham wins the by-election.

Kenyon has a lot to say about women and abortions.

Abortionrights.org reported 4 days ago that Kenyon's remarks on abortion and rape were "dangerous and misogynistic".

Kenyon described abortion as "a cowardly act of murdering a defenceless baby and not having to own up to it cause a Dr did it" and suggested women falsely claim rape in order to access abortion care. Kenyon said "Don't dole out the "what if someone is raped by their brother arguement (sic)"...He's also claimed that people advocating the right to choose were "usually the lefty crowd" adding "Because the left are actually evil".

He's not alone -antiabortion rhetoric is shared with Reform UK colleagues: Suella Braverman is committed to reversing decriminalisation of abortion which she called "repulsive" , Richard Tice- "abortion carnage", Andrea Jenkins "a tragedy for unborn babies".

LemonJam

Kenyon has a lot to say about women and abortions.

Misogynists usually do.

This month Republican lawmakers in the North Carolina General Assembly introduced a bill seeking a constitutional amendment. The bill aims to define life as beginning at fertilization and classify abortion as first-degree murder.

The legislation included language stating that "any person has the right to defend his or her own life or the life of another person, even by the use of deadly force if necessary, from wilful destruction by another person."

Because the bill defines a foetus as a person, critics and legal experts pointed out that this text would legally protect or permit third parties to use deadly force against a pregnant woman or medical provider to stop an abortion.

In simple terms, a citizen could murder a pregnant woman if she was attempting an abortion. The bill didn't pass. Not for want of trying.

I'm too tired now to research names - but there are those Republicans who are clamouring for women to be denied further education - and to be denied the vote.

... but, they really care about ickle-babies.

So Elon Musk - that obscenely wealthy individual with too much power... who parades his numerous children like trophies, is supporting RELATE who want women back in the kitchen and the labour ward to provide labour-fodder so that medieval working-age immigrants can be sent packing. Farage and his cabal aren't much different.

I hope women who support these two parties are aware of how life might pan out for them, ultimately.

We can read on these Threads so many reasons to reject Reform.
Such a pity that GNs who support Reform/Restore are not prepared to give reasons why.
Apart from 'we need a change'.

Maremia I think most people who support Reform believe that Reform will do a better job at reducing immigration and they think people who are not supportive of Reform don't care about immigration. Of course, neither is true but if you get all or most of your information from SM algorithms, that push right wing views, and GB news you will be convinced that you are correct because both perpetuate the myth that there are simple solutions to extremely complex problems.

If you read through the Reform manifesto it weighs heavily on reducing immigration as a solution to many of society's problems but doesn't mention the benefits that immigration has brought to the UK or anything with regard to the UK's responsibilities with regard to International law. There is absolutely no attempt to explain why Reform is being financially propped up by foreign donors, many of who have direct links to right wing fascist organisations. If there are any Reform supporters out there please refute what I am saying because I have yet to see any other reasons for people supporting Reform other than immigration.